Saw episode 1 today. Outstanding.

It moves a little slow' date=' but that's not a bad thing. Not a lot of production flourishes either, just lots of footage and interviews. I'm very curious to get through it all. The whole thing is...odd. Maybe there's a better word. Bizarre. Messed up. I don't know.[/quote']

 

I am on 4 and it is disgusting how adults manipulate a kid with an IQ of 73.

I am on 4 and it is disgusting how adults manipulate a kid with an IQ of 73.

And it doesn't end for the poor kid. Disgusting describes it best. Obvious he has no clue what is happening.

I am on 4 and it is disgusting how adults manipulate a kid with an IQ of 73.

 

That poor kid just isn't all there. They basically walk him into a murder confession and his only question is whether he'll be back to school before sixth period.

 

I just finished four. I try to keep a healthy amount of skepticism since I know the documentarians are trying to be persuasive, but goodness, some of this stuff just can't be accidental.

Did anyone know of this case prior to this documentary? I did not.

I like to think "Gene" wasn't weaving a web of lies to get out of trouble, he's just the cockiest sketch artist that ever lived. "I don't trust DNA but my pencil scratchings are bulletproof!"

Did anyone know of this case prior to this documentary? I did not.

 

No. A close friend of mine is from that area and obviously knew a lot about it. He's the one who put me on to it and gave me the background before I started it. I think he's been pretty surprised by a lot in the series.

Did anyone know of this case prior to this documentary? I did not.

 

Yep, A&E did a show on it with Bill Curtis, but nothing with this much detail and not nearly this long.

Finished six. These defense attorneys are earning that fat paycheck. This podunk prosecutor seems just a bit in over his head but is seemingly too cocky to realize it.

 

I'd like to hear some lawyers weigh in on it, especially on some of the defense motions that were denied. I'd almost like to watch the entire trial without the editorialization of the filmmakers.

 

I'm not sure what the truth is in this case, but in the most favorable light the county's sheriff's office and prosecutor are incompetent.

Finished this . Really good series that makes you wonder.

 

They certainly raised what seemed to be fair questions.

 

The interviews conducted with the kid without his attorney seemed to the untrained legal eye way over the top and completely coercive especially with a kid who admittedly is not very smart.

 

I read that some local folks including the prosecutor are saying the entire story was not presented. However, they declined the invitation to go into depth.

This series is a perfect example of how those of us who question SOME police/prosecutor actions are not anti-anything other than anti-fair.

 

It's not anti-authority. It's just anti-failed humans. People do what their pay plan requires them to do. The prosecutor is , truthfully , not paid to get fair results. He/she is paid to get convictions. This case would seem to support that.

 

This is a story about revenge, class, and bad human beings.

The interviews conducted with the kid without his attorney seemed to the untrained legal eye way over the top and completely coercive especially with a kid who admittedly is not very smart.

 

His William H. Macy-looking lawyer was completely derelict in his responsibilities. That was one of the more infuriating things. I wonder if he has faced any discipline from the bar over that.

Finished the series. Well worth the watch.

 

I was not surprised to see Ken Kratz end up in that sexting scandal. Just from the footage of his press conferences and trial work I had the impression that he was bizarrely arrogant without any basis for it. I know it wasn't directly tied to the cases, but it certainly affirms the impression that he'd cut corners to help himself out.

 

I wasn't surprised Avery was found guilty. I thought the way the documentarians presented the defense showed more than enough for a jury to get to reasonable doubt. But, the FBI's interjection over the blood was the death knell. I think anyone watching is also left wondering: if Avery didn't do it, then who did? The trail could have surely gone cold with the laser focus on Avery, but it seems like such a personal and bizarre situation that surely something is left unturned. I don't fault the documentarians for not going down that rabbit hole though.

 

I was glad to see the takedown of Len Kachinsky by competent lawyers in the last episode and was subsequently shocked that it didn't result in a new trial. I need someone to explain to me in childlike terms how Kachinsky hasn't faced any discipline over his shameful representation of Dassey and how the exposure of such subversive representation wouldn't have led to a new trial. On top of that, I'm similarly failing to understand how such a coerced confession from a slow kid wouldn't by itself be grounds for a successful appeal. That confession was the only evidence against him.

Edited December 24, 201510 yr by Habib

Finished the series. Well worth the watch.

 

I was not surprised to see Ken Kratz end up in that sexting scandal. Just from the footage of his press conferences and trial work I had the impression that he was bizarrely arrogant without any basis for it. I know it wasn't directly tied to the cases, but it certainly affirms the impression that he'd cut corners to help himself out.

 

I wasn't surprised Avery was found guilty. I thought the way the documentarians presented the defense showed more than enough for a jury to get to reasonable doubt. But, the FBI's interjection over the blood was the death knell. I think anyone watching is also left wondering: if Avery didn't do it, then who did? The trail could have surely gone cold with the laser focus on Avery, but it seems like such a personal and bizarre situation that surely something is left unturned. I don't fault the documentarians for not going down that rabbit hole though.

 

I was glad to see the takedown of Len Kachinsky by competent lawyers in the last episode and was subsequently shocked that it didn't result in a new trial. I need someone to explain to me in childlike terms how Kachinsky hasn't faced any discipline over his shameful representation of Dassey and how the exposure of such subversive representation wouldn't have led to a new trial. On top of that, I'm similarly failing to understand how such a coerced confession from a slow kid wouldn't by itself be grounds for a successful appeal. That confession was the only evidence against him.

 

Finished this series at 3AM this morning. Got wrapped up and couldn't stop. I yelled at the tv several times.

 

I can't see how that kid didn't get a new trial.

 

All trials glazed over the fact that the victim's body was in the back of her car. There was blood back there, yet the prosecution's narrative had Avery burning the body behind the house after he shot her. Additionally, no blood anywhere! He allegedly shot her 11 times in the garage, but there was zero blood splatter on all that junk.

 

I think his brother-in-law and possibly his older nephew had some involvement. They were each other's alibi and their timeline's matched no one's. The BIL was actually unaccounted for the 2 hours the murder allegedly occurred.

I'm through 8 episodes and I am so freaking mad at those dirtbag corrupt officers, prosecutors, etc. How could they treat a kid with a 69 IQ that way? Deplorable, a perfect example of abuse of power against the poor and uneducated. When he didn't know what inconsistent meant and asked about Wrestlemania I wanted to scream.

 

No blood anywhere after a mutilation, no blood splatter in garage and probably the most reasonable doubt ever. Karma betterm get all those SOB's.