I know that the gun was his and that he was charged with felony possession. What I think was in question was whether there was a true ballistics match. Also, I think the bullet was found six months after the initial search, correct? Even if it is a ballistics match and it is indeed her blood, without any other blood or other DNA evidence, how are we supposed to believe that she was shot in the garage? That really makes the bullet seem compromised.

 

Maybe it wasn't proven that the boyfriend deleted the emails. Perhaps I read that as a theory. I believe, however, that it was shown that voicemails were deleted after she was assumed to be murdered.

 

I'm fairly certain the bullet was matched with the gun. The gun was in Calumet County evidence after the initial search early on.

 

Bullet was found in the garage 3 or 4 months after, I think.

I'm fairly certain the bullet was matched with the gun. The gun was in Calumet County evidence after the initial search early on.

 

Bullet was found in the garage 3 or 4 months after, I think.

 

I could be wrong, but I think this revelation originally came to public consciousness from Ken Kratz. Jerry Buting disputes the ballistics in the Rolling Stone article in post 159.

 

I know you're just laying out information you have come across, so this isn't directed to you specifically, but I am hesitant to trust just about any piece of evidence that has come to light, especially something that we haven't seen cross examined. I keep thinking about the FBI expert witness during the trial. As a random citizen on a jury I am sure I would give a ton of credit to this testimony, and I don't know if I would exactly understand in deliberation that the science used wasn't as cut and dry as I was led to believe.

 

Similarly, even if I didn't have questions about the origins of the bullet or the myriad other questions pertaining to the garage, I'd love to believe that it absolutely came from a particular gun proving Avery's guilt. Unfortunately, we can only take the "Steve Avery's bedside gun" evidence at face value. Just like just about every other piece of evidence, his lawyers did an excellent job of creating doubt.

 

Unless I missed it, I am a little surprised that nobody has touched on what exactly this term "reasonable doubt" means. I know everyone has their own definition, but I like to think, how surprised would I be if this crime was committed by someone else? Personally, if this were Vegas, I think Steve Avery would have the best odds, but I would take the field.

 

I could be wrong, but I think this revelation originally came to public consciousness from Ken Kratz. Jerry Buting disputes the ballistics in the Rolling Stone article in post 159.

 

I know you're just laying out information you have come across, so this isn't directed to you specifically, but I am hesitant to trust just about any piece of evidence that has come to light, especially something that we haven't seen cross examined. I keep thinking about the FBI expert witness during the trial. As a random citizen on a jury I am sure I would give a ton of credit to this testimony, and I don't know if I would exactly understand in deliberation that the science used wasn't as cut and dry as I was led to believe.

 

Similarly, even if I didn't have questions about the origins of the bullet or the myriad other questions pertaining to the garage, I'd love to believe that it absolutely came from a particular gun proving Avery's guilt. Unfortunately, we can only take the "Steve Avery's bedside gun" evidence at face value. Just like just about every other piece of evidence, his lawyers did an excellent job of creating doubt.

 

Unless I missed it, I am a little surprised that nobody has touched on what exactly this term "reasonable doubt" means. I know everyone has their own definition, but I like to think, how surprised would I be if this crime was committed by someone else? Personally, if this were Vegas, I think Steve Avery would have the best odds, but I would take the field.

 

Based on what i know I could definitely see a jury deciding he's not guilty.

 

I'm not disputing that there are big issues with this case.

Just finished all of it last night, has to be one of the most bizarre homicide cases ever. I haven't checked in to any more regarding evidence with Avery or his nephew online and I'm sure there's more than the show included. Regardless of other evidence, there's so many ways this case went wrong and I believe that some of the law enforcement people involved with the investigation should be serving time too.

 

As far as Brendan is concerned, there's no way in hell that psychiatrists, psychologists, or others in the mental health field shouldn't have been involved considering his age, developmental issues, IQ, etc.

 

Either way, very interesting show and shows regardless of committing a serious crime or not that if accused, it may be total hell disproving it.

Buting stated in the the recent Rolling Stone article that experts couldn't with relative certainty prove the bullet came from the gun above Steven Avery's bed. Additionally, there were numerous other 22 rifles on the property that didn't belong to him. The Avery clan was notorious for shooting into their junkyard at cans and rabbits. Not to mention the 22 rifle is the most popular gun in America.

 

Cops planted the key and it was pretty much accepted in court. Miraculously they return to the garage they had already searched 4-5 months earlier finding shells and discharged bullet. It's the same pattern. We don't have the evidence, so we plant it.

Buting stated in the the recent Rolling Stone article that experts couldn't with relative certainty prove the bullet came from the gun above Steven Avery's bed. Additionally, there were numerous other 22 rifles on the property that didn't belong to him. The Avery clan was notorious for shooting into their junkyard at cans and rabbits. Not to mention the 22 rifle is the most popular gun in America.

 

Cops planted the key and it was pretty much accepted in court. Miraculously they return to the garage they had already searched 4-5 months earlier finding shells and discharged bullet. It's the same pattern. We don't have the evidence, so we plant it.

 

Definitely enough for reasonable doubt.

 

If her blood was on a bullet in the garage, then that means she would have been shot in the garage. Yet there was no blood or DNA evidence found anywhere else, including in cracks in the floor.

For anyone that is interested, here are the trial transcripts. I've read a couple of days worth.

 

Table 1: Jury Trial Transcripts ? Steven Avery Trial Transcripts and Documents

Definitely enough for reasonable doubt. If her blood was on a bullet in the garage' date=' then that means she would have been shot in the garage. Yet there was no blood or DNA evidence found anywhere else, including in cracks in the floor.[/quote']

 

Nor was any of her blood found in his trailer. She died off the property.

Buting stated in the the recent Rolling Stone article that experts couldn't with relative certainty prove the bullet came from the gun above Steven Avery's bed. Additionally' date=' there were numerous other 22 rifles on the property that didn't belong to him. The Avery clan was notorious for shooting into their junkyard at cans and rabbits. Not to mention the 22 rifle is the most popular gun in America. Cops planted the key and it was pretty much accepted in court. Miraculously they return to the garage they had already searched 4-5 months earlier finding shells and discharged bullet. It's the same pattern. We don't have the evidence, so we plant it.[/quote']

 

Zero chance that the police miss that key in the first 6, six, attempts, zero. It was put there by whoever parked the car.

Thoughts on this?

 

A Cold Case Expert Thinks ?Making A Murderer? May Be Tied To One Of The Most Prolific Serial Killers Ever ? Page 3 ? UPROXX

 

OK. I'm sold.

 

That guy's involvement in all of those high profile cases was unreal.

Coburn the dirty cop found the car before it was found by the lady searcher, he called in the plate on record to dispatch, to positively identify it. Coburn had the key since he found the car.

New attorney says she has cell phone data that shows the victim actually left the property.

 

 

Lawyer Claims New Evidence in Avery Case - The Daily Beast

New attorney says she has cell phone data that shows the victim actually left the property.

 

 

Lawyer Claims New Evidence in Avery Case - The Daily Beast

 

I have very limited knowledge on cell phone pings, I wonder how accurate they are?

 

Also, doesn't really prove she left even if it's accurate.

 

Id say she has more or is working to get more evidence before her first court appearance for him.

Interesting findings if true.