Agreed. The bus isn't someone's home so there are no Constitutional grounds for preventing an officer from entering the bus.

 

Bus drivers were on occasion a problem. For whatever reason they must have been receiving some type of misinformation from their employer about how to respond to police intervention.

Agreed. The bus isn't someone's home so there are no Constitutional grounds for preventing an officer from entering the bus.

 

Bus drivers were on occasion a problem. For whatever reason they must have been receiving some type of misinformation from their employer about how to respond to police intervention.

 

My main question would be why a bus would be any different than a car? Doesn't the officer have to have the driver's permission, a warrant, or probable cause, to enter a car?

Some very interesting questions being raised, ones I have never even thought about before.

My main question would be why a bus would be any different than a car? Doesn't the officer have to have the driver's permission, a warrant, or probable cause, to enter a car?

 

Fair question that I don't know the answer to.

 

Can an officer gain entrance to a city-owned vehicle without cause?

Fair question that I don't know the answer to.

 

Can an officer gain entrance to a city-owned vehicle without cause?

 

Another good question.

Fair question that I don't know the answer to.

 

Can an officer gain entrance to a city-owned vehicle without cause?

 

The bus would be state owned though, and police are limited to certain jurisdiction. From my experience in the classroom I have no doubt an officer can gain access onto a bus if he legitimately pulls over that bus.

Here's a site I found regarding searching a school bus.

http://www.justiceteaching.org/SchoolSearchManual[1].pdf

 

Said must have reasonable suspicion at the inception of the search and the scope must be related to the original suspicion.

 

I'll admit I'm not fully up to date on case law regarding car search. Is "reasonable suspicion" enough?

My main question would be why a bus would be any different than a car? Doesn't the officer have to have the driver's permission, a warrant, or probable cause, to enter a car?

 

You have unrelated third parties on a school bus. If the school bus driver is the only one on the school bus then think of it like his personally owned vehicle and I believe the same rights would apply to him and his bus as they would a private citizen and their car. However, if you have a third party on the bus requesting police assistance I can't think of any legal right the bus driver would have to deny the officer (thus deny the victim) police assistance which therefore may result in some type of "obstruction charge" against the bus driver.

 

Everyone, imagine if your son or daughter was on a school bus being victimized, your son or daughter contacted the police with their cell phone and the bus driver refused to let the officer enter the bus and your son or daughter was victimized to a greater degree.

You have unrelated third parties on a school bus. If the school bus driver is the only one on the school bus then think of it like his personally owned vehicle and I believe the same rights would apply to him and his bus as they would a private citizen and their car. However, if you have a third party on the bus requesting police assistance I can't think of any legal right the bus driver would have to deny the officer (thus deny the victim) police assistance which therefore may result in some type of "obstruction charge" against the bus driver.

 

Everyone, imagine if your son or daughter was on a school bus being victimized, your son or daughter contacted the police with their cell phone and the bus driver refused to let the officer enter the bus and your son or daughter was victimized to a greater degree.

 

That makes sense. In that case their presence was requested. But they couldn't, say, pull the bus over for running a red light, and board/search the bus without permission or probable cause could they?

That makes sense. In that case their presence was requested. But they couldn't, say, pull the bus over for running a red light, and board/search the bus without permission or probable cause could they?

 

Not from what I have read.

That makes sense. In that case their presence was requested. But they couldn't, say, pull the bus over for running a red light, and board/search the bus without permission or probable cause could they?

 

I don't believe so based on what you stated.

 

In that case the officer could stop the bus and do a normal traffic stop. If in the course of the traffic stop the officer was alerted to some type of criminal activity then all bets are off.

I don't believe so based on what you stated.

 

In that case the officer could stop the bus and do a normal traffic stop. If in the course of the traffic stop the officer was alerted to some type of criminal activity then all bets are off.

 

Like if it were Willie Nelson's bus?

Danville officer placed on leave after pulling over, boarding daughter's school bus to confront boy

video if anyone wants to watch it.

 

Looked to me like he was trying to make a confrontation.

 

Told one kid "If you didn't why are sitting there scared and shaking." (at least that's what I heard on the video)

 

Then when one kid stood up in front of him he verbally yells at him to sit down. What if the kid didn't? What if it had escalated to a violent response?

 

This is just bad anyway you look at it. Adults taking on minors like this is never good IMO.

 

And to hear the daughter say: "Thanks Daddy" was sweet. And also scary. Did she call the law in over being teased, well, cause she could call the law in? :idunno:

You have kids?

 

If someone bullies or bothers your daughter over and over this is your first reaction...to confront them. I'm not saying he is right in the way he handled it but I get wanting to do something about it.

 

This isn't about a power trip as much as its about a ticked off dad...

 

Had somewhat a similar issue with my daughter when she was a HS freshman. There was a guy who was bothering her every day to and from school on her school bus. I thought it was one of those boy likes girl things so he was just putting on a show so I told her to tell the bus driver if she didn't want the boy bothering her. Well it apparently progressed to stealing her homework and tossing her books out the bus window. The boy lived close to our neighborhood so I found out where his bus stop was one morning and confronted him man to young man so to speak. I told him who I was, who my daughter was and where we lived. I explained to him (I didn't shout, use profanity, or call him out in front of his buddies but I was stern) that if my daughter lost any more homework or textbooks I would first take it up with his parents and if that did not work I would take it up with Dixie administration. I told him it was up to him, he could stop the shenanigans and nothing would be said. He didn't bother her again, nor did his buddies.

Like if it were Willie Nelson's bus?

 

There is probably case law I am not aware of relating to busses that are also "Mobile Homes" but yes to answer your question in simple form.