Boot-leg wood burning stoves in the future?

Out of control government agencies are a REAL problem in this country. How many people are going to be negatively affected by this nonsense that some unelected Washington bureaucrats just dreamed up. Nobody voted on this, correct? Nobody voted for the people who decided this, correct? UGH....

 

Every time you vote for a democrat its an endorsement of this kind of foolishness. It itsnt being pushed by the R's .

Will new homes be able to have a standard fireplace in them?

And people with 5000 guns worry about government taking their guns? IMO, this is even more absurd government intrusion!

To think it was Republican Richard Nixon that gave us the EPA! This is why you don't create federal agencies. Once they are no longer needed, you cannot get rid of them!

OK...I'll step into this:

 

If I read correctly, wood burning is not being banned but rather new installations will require higher-efficiency models which emit lower particulate matter.

 

Ironic how so many don't have any issues with growing populations, but when that growth leads to sacrifices...no one wants to make them. If everyone heated using wood-burning devices, there are parts of this country where one could not see or breath to cross the street.

 

I agree, a blanket national ban would be bad. Logical replacement products and restrictions in densely populated areas and areas with fragile air flow (inversion such as in mountain valleys, etc.) seems to make sense.

To think it was Republican Richard Nixon that gave us the EPA! This is why you don't create federal agencies. Once they are no longer needed, you cannot get rid of them!

 

The world may end. I agree.

 

Same reason you never pass a new tax. Governments never want to end them WE paid an excise tax on phone calls until 2006 to fund the Spanish/American War and the Treasury Dept. fought stopping it. LINK

So let me get this straight. EPA is worried about the emissions from my wood burning stove in my house, but yet they have no problem with letting the state of California and others out west burn to the ground and helping do anything to stop that. :idunno:

So let me get this straight. EPA is worried about the emissions from my wood burning stove in my house, but yet they have no problem with letting the state of California and others out west burn to the ground and helping do anything to stop that. :idunno:

 

I'm fairly confident that the EPA is pretty much anti-wildfire.

OK...I'll step into this:

 

If I read correctly, wood burning is not being banned but rather new installations will require higher-efficiency models which emit lower particulate matter.

 

Ironic how so many don't have any issues with growing populations, but when that growth leads to sacrifices...no one wants to make them. If everyone heated using wood-burning devices, there are parts of this country where one could not see or breath to cross the street.

 

I agree, a blanket national ban would be bad. Logical replacement products and restrictions in densely populated areas and areas with fragile air flow (inversion such as in mountain valleys, etc.) seems to make sense.

 

I have to say, so long as they don't take this a step further into banning fire pits and campfires, which obviously don't have the option of catalyzing fine-particulate before emitting it into the air, then I'm not too terribly upset by this.

 

The EPA has said they are not going to be outlawing use of the old stoves that don't meet their 2015 standards...only prohibiting sale of them going forward.

I have to say, so long as they don't take this a step further into banning fire pits and campfires, which obviously don't have the option of catalyzing fine-particulate before emitting it into the air, then I'm not too terribly upset by this.

 

The EPA has said they are not going to be outlawing use of the old stoves that don't meet their 2015 standards...only prohibiting sale of them going forward.

 

So does that mean i can just weld my own together? If I did it probably would release as much particles as a campfire, I'm not a good welder.

 

On a serious note, are there not more important things they could be focusing on than wood burning stoves? For one, how many people use them, as opposed to chimneys or camp fires? Two, are these new (I would guess more expensive models) really going to help stop "global warming."

 

Personally I think it's a bunch of garbage and wont change a damn thing, other than eliminate most people from purchasing a wood burning stove in the near future. Which in turn, makes more money for the gas and power companies. Color me shocked.

The bigger question does this cost jobs ? It seems everything the EPA does cost jobs.

Boot-leg wood burning stoves in the future?

 

I have to say, so long as they don't take this a step further into banning fire pits and campfires, which obviously don't have the option of catalyzing fine-particulate before emitting it into the air, then I'm not too terribly upset by this.

 

The EPA has said they are not going to be outlawing use of the old stoves that don't meet their 2015 standards...only prohibiting sale of them going forward.

 

To answer some of these questions:

 

It is true that the EPA is not banning currently installed stoves, however...if you choose to move your stove you render it obsolete and illegal. For instance, if you have a wood burning boiler and you want to move it, you are not legally allowed.

 

Inserts are included in this, fireplaces will be written out of the accepted building codes in the future.

 

We received this notice last spring and it is killing the wood burning stove business and costing jobs. Craig's List hottest (no pun intended) item just became used inserts.

 

Bootleg stoves already exist. I have seen guys have them in the back of trucks on weekends at the local Park n Ride.

 

Part of the reason boilers are being looked at is that the forced draft component "pushes" a significant amount of exhaust into the atmosphere, but at a much lower elevation (human height) and neighbors in residential areas were complaining it was contributing to health issues.

 

The EPA can have my wood burner after they pry my cold dead fingers from my AR that I am protecting my compound with from marauding revenurers....

So does that mean i can just weld my own together? If I did it probably would release as much particles as a campfire, I'm not a good welder.

 

On a serious note, are there not more important things they could be focusing on than wood burning stoves? For one, how many people use them, as opposed to chimneys or camp fires? Two, are these new (I would guess more expensive models) really going to help stop "global warming."

 

Personally I think it's a bunch of garbage and wont change a damn thing, other than eliminate most people from purchasing a wood burning stove in the near future. Which in turn, makes more money for the gas and power companies. Color me shocked.

 

The bigger argument by the EPA was that they were unable to control the fuel source that residential burners were using. There are some industrious people who figured out that if utility companies and railroads cannot dispose of wooden poles and ties, and are willing to give them away, then they make very easy fuel for boilers, hence releasing the toxic fumes generated from burning creosote, penta and CCA.

The bigger argument by the EPA was that they were unable to control the fuel source that residential burners were using. There are some industrious people who figured out that if utility companies and railroads cannot dispose of wooden poles and ties, and are willing to give them away, then they make very easy fuel for boilers, hence releasing the toxic fumes generated from burning creosote, penta and CCA.

 

That's an understandable concern I suppose. But again, how many idiots are really burning rail road ties in their home? I'm pretty selective in what I burn in my home and rail road ties, etc would never be an option.