Living in a dry county would suck. :lol2:

 

Not really.

Really, we have to have this conversation.

 

Do you really think Jesus is going to make water into alcohol.

 

My preacher doesnt have to tell me this.

 

Yes, because Jesus wasn't against drinking alcohol. He was against getting drunk. Most people are capable of telling the difference.

 

According to this, your thought is bunk....Did Jesus Change Water into Wine or Grape Juice?

I have seen both arguments.

 

We seem to have strayed wildly off-topic.

I have seen both arguments.

 

We seem to have strayed wildly off-topic.

 

Since everything that has to do with dry counties is religion-based in Ky, it's not really that far off the topic.

Since everything that has to do with dry counties is religion-based in Ky, it's not really that far off the topic.

 

You may have a point.

 

Let's talk about Jaysus some more.

Yes, because Jesus wasn't against drinking alcohol. He was against getting drunk. Most people are capable of telling the difference.

 

According to this, your thought is bunk....Did Jesus Change Water into Wine or Grape Juice?

 

Believe what you may and so will I.

Believe what you may and so will I.

 

Yeah, because unfermented grape juice is widely-known throughout the world as the preferred social libation for weddings. More ostrich stuff.

The county I live in, Owsley, voted to be wet 3 years ago. We've had beer and liquor stores for two years. I was told by court house personnel that alcohol related DUI arrest have dropped by a substantial margin since legal sales started. Same thing happened in nearby Wolfe County when they became wet more than a decade ago. Some think the reason for the drop is consumers are less likely to drink their purchase in their vehicles if they have a shorter distance to drive back home. Most of the officers I've spoken with tell me that alcohol-related arrest are not nearly as problematic for them as abuse of prescription pills. That and meth is an ongoing concern for them.

Going "wet" has been a positive thing for Owsley County IMO.

Yeah, because unfermented grape juice is widely-known throughout the world as the preferred social libation for weddings. More ostrich stuff.

 

As I am saying for the last time, believe what you want, I DO NOT CARE.

I know people have a lot of criticisms for the Catholic Church. But I don't think it's an accident that the largest pockets of wet counties in the state also have the largest Catholic populations in the state for the most part.

 

Religion where you still go to church on Sunday but Saturday at the festival you may of had a beer with the parish priest right before playing some black jack.

As I am saying for the last time, believe what you want, I DO NOT CARE.

 

I've heard people argue that line before but most usually say it's just an opinion when asked to explain why they believe that way.

 

The link that was given lists several reasons based around historical and scriptural evidence that it wasn't grape juice. What proofs do you have that it wasn't wine but was instead grape juice?

Hardin County is dry. Radcliff and Elizabethtown are wet.

 

Alcohol is the reason Elizabethtown's downtown is having a renaissance. Bourbon Barrel Tavern and the Wicked-Eye Woman Public House are both on the way, while Boundary Oak -- which owns the trademark/copyright to "Kentucky Moonshine" -- is rumored to have something big planned downtown, too. The Historic State Theater is now turning a profit now that it can sell beer at shows (Comedy Caravan, music acts) and serve beer/wine at weddings (which it was forbidden to do before).

 

The dry-ists can say what they want, but downtown was pretty much dead and buried before alcohol intervened. No one wants to go downtown when all it is was lawyer's office, accountants, government offices, etc.

 

Now that the government offices are in one nice state-of-the-art building on Ring Road and the lawyers/accountants are moving to other places on Ring Road (which offer newer, bigger buildings) ... downtown is kicking it into high gear.

 

When Elizabethtown/Radcliff went wet, DUIs in Hardin County drastically dropped.

 

The tax base went UP, because money that was being spent nearby (see Meade, Bullitt and Nelson) was now being spent inside Hardin County.

 

That all being said, I'm Catholic. So I'm more "loose with the rules" than some others in the Christian faith.

 

But I'm also diabetic (have been so since I was 20 years, 8 months old) and have not had one sip of alcohol for the past 14 years OTHER than a toast of champagne at my wedding 3 years ago.

I've heard people argue that line before but most usually say it's just an opinion when asked to explain why they believe that way.

 

The link that was given lists several reasons based around historical and scriptural evidence that it wasn't grape juice. What proofs do you have that it wasn't wine but was instead grape juice?

 

There isn't a historical argument for it or one in scripture. This was a Puritan adjustment to Christianity centuries after the founding of Christianity.

 

So we agree 100%.

I've heard people argue that line before but most usually say it's just an opinion when asked to explain why they believe that way.

 

The link that was given lists several reasons based around historical and scriptural evidence that it wasn't grape juice. What proofs do you have that it wasn't wine but was instead grape juice?

 

"Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now" (John 2:10). The good wine in those days was grape juice that had not yet fermented

 

Jesus did not create an alcoholic wine. God’s word forbade giving alcoholic wine to someone else. Habakkuk 2:15 says, "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor, pressing him to the bottle, even to make him drunk, that you may look on his nakedness."

 

 

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"Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now" (John 2:10). The good wine in those days was grape juice that had not yet fermented

 

Jesus did not create an alcoholic wine. God’s word forbade giving alcoholic wine to someone else. Habakkuk 2:15 says, "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor, pressing him to the bottle, even to make him drunk, that you may look on his nakedness."

 

 

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Your first paragraph is historically incorrect. The reason they fermented was to store the beverage for long periods of time.

 

The second paragraph proves our point , it refers to being drunk , because eating or drinking anything in excess or in other a word, gluttony. That is considered a sin.