NFL Upholds Brady Suspension

[Pioneer.Pride]

What exactly does Brady have that will prove his case in Feseral court? Seriously. He has refused to cooperate and has his phone and SIM card destroyed the day he was to be interviewed. He's a

cheater and what is being missed is the fact that he cheated. Who cares

about the footballs, its

the fact he cheated period.

 

Burden of proof is not on the accused.

[Hellbird]

I have believed (and still partially do) that this could very easily have been done without Brady directly contributing to it. But him destroying the cell phone looks very bad. I'm not buying that he always destroys his phones. That would have come out before now if that were the case, IMO.

I have tossed every theory around in my head and the one thing that keeps coming back to me is.

1. Why would someone decide on their own to do something like this? I mean, it makes no sense an equipment manager would all of a sudden decide for no reason at all to deflate footballs after they were inspected.

 

And

 

2. What would a rogue equipment guy gain by doing this on his own?

 

Then there is the biggest question of all, why would a equipment guy who supposedly couldn't stand Brady do something to help Brady out on his own?

[Hellbird]

Burden of proof is not on the accused.

If Brady were the one Sueing then the NFL would be the accused.

 

They would be the one accusing the NFL of wrongdoing.

[Hellbird]

If the thought is he only discussed this case, deflation, etc. with the ball boys, then I guess that would be a strong point. I guess the same question would apply then, why destroy it?

One word

 

 

GUILT

[UKMustangFan]

Burden of proof is not on the accused.

 

It's my understanding that the lawsuit will focus on discrediting the flawed physics and statistics that the Wells report used to reach it's conclusions. Thought being that if they can prove that the suspension was based off a flawed or error-ridden investigation with a biased investigator, the suspension holds no weight. Whether that would be successful or not, who knows, but that's what I've gathered is what they're going after.

[4chs]

If the thought is he only discussed this case, deflation, etc. with the ball boys, then I guess that would be a strong point. I guess the same question would apply then, why destroy it?

 

There could have been many other things on his phone that he did not want someone else to see.

[bugatti]

It's my understanding that the lawsuit will focus on discrediting the flawed physics and statistics that the Wells report used to reach it's conclusions. Thought being that if they can prove that the suspension was based off a flawed or error-ridden investigation with a biased investigator, the suspension holds no weight. Whether that would be successful or not, who knows, but that's what I've gathered is what they're going after.

Right. A lot of layers to this. The Wells Report did not say "Brady did it", it says it was "more probable than not" that Brady knew of the system in place. Neither side has a full on standard burden of proof. The 4 games and subsequent suspension is just as much about the cooperation or lack-there-of.

[4chs]

Since all of the Colts balls that were tested, with the exception of one, were also under inflated, why did the NFL not fine or suspend anyone from the Colts?

[UKMustangFan]

Statement from Don Yee, Brady's agent:

 

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

 

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

 

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

 

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

 

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

 

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

 

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

[sumoroyal]

Admit what? That the NFL has not cared about enforcing the inflation level of footballs for 50 years!!!!!

 

I believe there was a PSI range the balls had to be. If he liked them with less air, just say that. Don't you think that contributes in their fumbles being low over the past years?

[Hellbird]

Since all of the Colts balls that were tested, with the exception of one, were also under inflated, why did the NFL not fine or suspend anyone from the Colts?

They weren't under the allowable psi below the min.

[4chs]

They weren't under the allowable psi below the min.

 

My bad. I thought that 3 of the 4 Colts balls that they tested were under the minimum.

[Hellbird]

Statement from Don Yee, Brady's agent:

 

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

 

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

 

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

 

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

 

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

 

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

 

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

Here is the problem with Brady's lawyers comments. It was not a criminal investigation therefor the NFL didn't have to disclose anything. What they did was in the collective bargaining agreement and that is the Players association's fault for allowing the NFL offices to be investigator, judge and Jury. They also don't have to prove anything by the collar of the law because it isn't a crimnal investigation.

[Hellbird]

My bad. I thought that 3 of the 4 Colts balls that they tested were under the minimum.

No. They were all legal. What the Pats PR machine tried to do was to "leak" to the public that all the Colts balls also were less than when tested but they failed to tell you that their footballs were still legal by league rules.

[Hellbird]

Question I have.

Is it a 4 game suspension or 4 week suspension?

 

Just curious because week 4 of the season is a bye week for the Pats so if it is weeks he only misses 3 games.

 

Nfl also struck first in filing a lawsuit in NY which means NY has jurisdiction in this case

amd the suit was filed by the NFL so the courts can basically say yes the NFL was right. To do what they did and their findings.

 

This is also keeps Brady etc to file in Boston or Minnesota for example where they may be leniant to the players cause.