Cheaters.

Interesting that Brady, according to reports, wouldn't give up his phone; even with his lawyer screening the messages. Makes one wonder what he didn't want his lawyer to see.

 

Would you?

 

I absolutely wouldn't willing give up my phone if I was Tom Brady. Only if made by law enforcement and even then I'd still try to find a way around it. I'm sure the Golden Boy has some other skeletons in his closet some where that Gisele probably wouldn't be thrilled about that would come out if he turned over the phone.

If anything, all this would make it harder for Jastremski and McNally to find work in the NFL in my opinion. Brady isn't going to be hurt by this and neither is his legacy.

I didn't realize anyone still cared about this.

I didn't realize anyone still cared about this.

Only to the point The least that should have happened was Brady should have been suspended for the SB. Anyone with half a brain knew he was involved.

 

Can an I say I told you so?

 

Also what is being overlooked was in the report saying that most probably wasn't the first and only time. As was stated earlier that it made more of an impact the game before in worse game conditions and a close game. Patriots, once a cheater always a cheater.

Only to the point The least that should have happened was Brady should have been suspended for the SB. Anyone with half a brain knew he was involved.

 

Can an I say I told you so?

 

So you had proof he was 100% involved before the SB? You have proof he was 100% involved now? The answer is no. The report can't even say he was without a doubt involved.

 

Sure you can say I told you so but not sure who you would say it to. I think pretty much everyone that followed this even the least little bit figured he knew.

Brady is used to cheating. With video gate he knew the coverage he would face by being told over the headset when the plays were called in and he used a ball that was easier to grip.

 

Cheater.

 

You asked if I had 100% proof

he knew etc. yes I did. I have common sense. That's how I knew.

Brady didn't cheat. He used the balls that were provided to him by the team managers haha!

 

Team Manager cheated.

To the non-lawyer, the money quotes from the Ted Wells report suggest a mere probability that cheating occurred. But the specific terminology used by Wells actually indicates a belief that the evidence satisfies one of the most common standards used in a court of law.

 

“More probable than not” equates to a “preponderance of the evidence,” the standard that applies in most civil lawsuits. It means that the evidence makes it more likely than not, in the opinion of the investigator, that “New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules,” and that “Tom Brady . . . was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities.”

 

Although there was nothing easy about the Wells investigation, his decision that a preponderance of the evidence points to a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules gives Goodell the green light to impose discipline.

 

Still, the use of the term “more probable than not” takes some of the sting out of the finding by allowing non-lawyers to believe that, as Patriots owner Robert Kraft has always said, there was no hard evidence of cheating. When it comes to issues of this nature, hard evidence isn’t needed to justify a stringent punishment.

 

?More probable than not? carries important legal meaning | ProFootballTalk

I read discipline still to come which could include a fine, loss of draft pick and some type of discipline for Brady. Could be all three, some of it, or none. So basically we think there was cheating and we may discipline them. Wasn't this what was said 3 months ago

Patriots owner Robert Kraft promised his full cooperation with the Ted Wells investigation.

 

What Wells found from the Patriots was something that falls well below the threshold of full.

 

The Wells report said that the Patriots refused to make officials locker room attendant Jim McNally available for a follow-up interview which was requested, “despite our offer to meet at any time and location that would be convenient for McNally.”

 

The report said Patriots counsel apparently didn’t inform McNally of the request, and that the refusal “violated the club‟s obligations to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full cooperation with the investigation.”

 

That sets the stage for some significant punishment for the team, which began this process with bluster, demanding an apology from the league if no evidence was found.

 

The team wasn’t alone playing keep-away, as quarterback Tom Brady refused to provide text messages and e-mails “even though those requests were limited to the subject matter of our investigation” which means they weren’t just looking for cell phone pics of Gisele Bundchen.

 

Wells report chides Patriots for not cooperating with investigation | ProFootballTalk

I'll be shocked if there is indeed any kind of significant punishment for organization or Brady. Brady at most might miss first 2 or 3 games of the season but I doubt even that happens.

Integrity of the game vs. evidence standards for action vs. what is best for business.

This is probably what Goodell was hoping for from the report...a "we think that maybe somebody knew something but we can't be totally sure" finding. Roger can probably do whatever he wants now. Either no penalty or a slap on the wrist and nobody will yell too much either way and everyone will just move on...

This is probably what Goodell was hoping for from the report...a "we think that maybe somebody knew something but we can't be totally sure" finding. Roger can probably do whatever he wants now. Either no penalty or a slap on the wrist and nobody will yell too much either way and everyone will just move on...

They do know Brady was behind it but they can't say that because they don't have the smoking gun because Brady refused to turn his phone over for the investigation.

 

If he didn't have anything to hide he would have turned it over. Now he looks even more guilty after all the garbage he said after they got caught.