My logic is as solid as yours. I am speaking from what I know, not what I believe. I know officials haven't lost a game IN THE THREE REGIONS I FOLLOW because I asked. I didn't say any of those things NEVER happen, they just NEVER happen in THE THREE REGIONS I FOLLOW. Try to keep up. You , on the other hand, seem to think you have all the answers, and every official is a great one. You think there is nothing wrong with the process. Fair enough. I disagree.

 

Not really, your logic is second hand information. You only brought up the 3 regions you follow at the end of your rants, and I certainly kept up.

 

Nowhere in my posts will you find that I ever said I "seem to think you have all the answers, and every official is a great one. You think there is nothing wrong with the process."

 

Try to keep up here, I responded to your original request of how accountability is managed on the officials side of the game.

 

Your close personal friendships with coaches and assigners in the 3 regions you follow are pretty clearly all you need to keep you eye on the prize.

To play both sides of the coin the chant' date=' Call it both ways from the fans may not always be accurate, however can be a legitimate complaint. This I believe boils down to 2 simple issues. First, I return to my comment about 3 refs to watch 10 players....etc. The greatest ref crew can not see everything and will miss things simply because their is so much to keep watch on. There is no second chance to see what was missed. It is what it is. Second, with 3 refs on the court perceptibly one managing each end of the court calls at one basket get a no call while under the other basket the same action gets called for the foul. Fan perception is biased but in reality I think it is simply 2different styles of calling a game. All things being equal (and I saw this first hand this year) it should balance out in the second half as the team that had a rough go in the first half has an easier go in the second half. Many would agree that though it balances out this for the players is a difficult game to play and for the refs this is a format that the fans will be most critical. In general I as a fan, coach, parent and critic care, about 2 things. SAFETY and CONSISTENCY. If a game is going to be called tight fine. If a game is called loose that's fine also. Tight or loose though I want it at both ends and for the whole game. The players and coaches can adjust to the calls. In regard to safety when players tangle over the ball I prefer the quick jump ball whistle over the foul call. Over the course of the game it will have no bearing on the outcome and prevents players from tangling legs and falling on each other. By contrast, foul calls can have a significant impact on the game and create untimely aggression resulting in player injury.[/quote']

 

 

Why do you say it "balances out" in the 2nd half?

Why do you say it "balances out" in the 2nd half?

 

 

Because the teams switch ends of the court.

Did I mention not seeing my kids or my wife much during the week and the toll it takes on them for me to do do what I love? And I can hear some guy in the stands, "Call it both ways!" Can't help but get a little smirk on my face when I hear comments like that.

 

You forgot:

 

"Get him off of him!"

"Over the back!"

"That's a walk!"

"You're terrible! You suck!"

HC able to overcome 2 really terrible calls back to back at end of game that almost gave it to Etown. Even the announcers agreed.

You forgot:

 

"Get him off of him!"

"Over the back!"

"That's a walk!"

"You're terrible! You suck!"

 

These four items are too much to address, so this rant will target only #3.

 

WHAT ON EARTH CONSTITUTES A WALK IN 2015??? Can someone tell me? Let's see what regularly takes place in games at all levels:

1-Catch the ball, switch pivot foot, then begin making a move, dribbling, etc.

2-Catch the ball with both feet established on the floor, hop both feet to get into "rhythm jumper" mode

3-Catch the ball on the move, in full stride, taking two or three steps prior to beginning a speed dribble

4-Attack the rim on a "dribble-drive," end the dribble and then hop, and then take two or three steps to

get to the rim

 

Again, this type of stuff happens on all levels. I'm checking out ESPN highlights, plays of the day, etc., and it goes on all the time. It's glorified with "Oh, Babeeeeeees" from Dickie V. and others. It is an abomination and bastardization (no, not profanity here, so please, moderators, no censorship ... this is attempted legitimization of that which is not legitimate) of the rules of basketball! Why, how cannot this simple and time-tested rule not be called effectively?

 

No, the rules do not need to be changed. No, we do not need to now have a fourth official added to the crew - because the three just cannot keep up with the action on the floor. No, we do not need committees to study, evaluate, and then have the ridiculously worded measures such as "points of emphasis" each year - what a joke all this slop is.

 

JUST CALL IT AS IT IS WRITTEN! I have twin granddaughters who are first-graders playing their first organized b-ball. A friend came up to me and asked me, "When, at what age, do they call traveling - grade school, middle school?" After watching lots of hoops on TV, in the gyms, from the sidelines, etc, this year, and most recently, the sweet 16 the last three days, well, I'm not sure what to tell him.

 

Folks, I've seen this slop with my own two laser-repaired eyes, and I'm pretty sure of what I speak. Help and old brother out and let him know when the rule was officially changed. This is getting worse rapidly. ... and we haven't even addressed the "human torpedo dribblers" yet, let alone items 1, 2 and 4 above.

Because the teams switch ends of the court.

 

Why would that matter?

Why would that matter?

 

Clyde, everybody knows when the team switch sides they get the opposite official (sarcasm); lol!!! That comment, among others shows how little these people know about officiating.

 

Birdbrain, nice efforts to offer thoughtful reasoning but, you can lead a donkey to water but you can't make it drink!

Clyde, everybody knows when the team switch sides they get the opposite official (sarcasm); lol!!! That comment, among others shows how little these people know about officiating.

 

Birdbrain, nice efforts to offer thoughtful reasoning but, you can lead a donkey to water but you can't make it drink!

 

So enlighten us simple folk oh wise one! Why this would not be the case.

:lol:

 

:popcorn:

These four items are too much to address, so this rant will target only #3.

 

WHAT ON EARTH CONSTITUTES A WALK IN 2015??? Can someone tell me? Let's see what regularly takes place in games at all levels:

1-Catch the ball, switch pivot foot, then begin making a move, dribbling, etc.

2-Catch the ball with both feet established on the floor, hop both feet to get into "rhythm jumper" mode

3-Catch the ball on the move, in full stride, taking two or three steps prior to beginning a speed dribble

4-Attack the rim on a "dribble-drive," end the dribble and then hop, and then take two or three steps to

get to the rim

 

Again, this type of stuff happens on all levels. I'm checking out ESPN highlights, plays of the day, etc., and it goes on all the time. It's glorified with "Oh, Babeeeeeees" from Dickie V. and others. It is an abomination and bastardization (no, not profanity here, so please, moderators, no censorship ... this is attempted legitimization of that which is not legitimate) of the rules of basketball! Why, how cannot this simple and time-tested rule not be called effectively?

 

No, the rules do not need to be changed. No, we do not need to now have a fourth official added to the crew - because the three just cannot keep up with the action on the floor. No, we do not need committees to study, evaluate, and then have the ridiculously worded measures such as "points of emphasis" each year - what a joke all this slop is.

 

JUST CALL IT AS IT IS WRITTEN! I have twin granddaughters who are first-graders playing their first organized b-ball. A friend came up to me and asked me, "When, at what age, do they call traveling - grade school, middle school?" After watching lots of hoops on TV, in the gyms, from the sidelines, etc, this year, and most recently, the sweet 16 the last three days, well, I'm not sure what to tell him.

 

Folks, I've seen this slop with my own two laser-repaired eyes, and I'm pretty sure of what I speak. Help and old brother out and let him know when the rule was officially changed. This is getting worse rapidly. ... and we haven't even addressed the "human torpedo dribblers" yet, let alone items 1, 2 and 4 above.

 

Great post. Would love to hear more opinions from others about "human torpedo dribblers". The way the game is called today it's almost impossible to play defense against this without getting whistled for the foul.

So enlighten us simple folk oh wise one! Why this would not be the case.

 

I'll answer making an assumption on what your posts said. Correct me if I am incorrect on your assumption.

 

Referees switch positions on every foul call.

 

3 refs - one on the baseline - one on same side as baseline ref out top - one on opposite side foul line extended.

 

Baseline ref (lead) calls a foul. Your posts seem to think that that same ref is still on the baseline. He's not. When he calls a foul he goes to the outside and the official on his side takes his spot under the basket. Next play the opposite side official calls a foul. He now goes over to the other side. Outside guy now goes to his old spot .

 

Your posts seem to indicate that Bill is underneath the entire first half and he will never be underneath during the 2nd half. If that's your thought that's incorrect. The switch rules/policy is there for that very reason. You don't want the same person making all the calls in an area for one half.

Great post. Would love to hear more opinions from others about "human torpedo dribblers". The way the game is called today it's almost impossible to play defense against this without getting whistled for the foul.

 

The "out of control" dribbler is not a violation. The foul call still comes down to the defender either having legal guarding position or NOT having LGP. If he does not it doesn't matter how out of control the dribbler is. The foul is on the defender.

These four items are too much to address, so this rant will target only #3.

 

WHAT ON EARTH CONSTITUTES A WALK IN 2015??? Can someone tell me? Let's see what regularly takes place in games at all levels:

1-Catch the ball, switch pivot foot, then begin making a move, dribbling, etc.

2-Catch the ball with both feet established on the floor, hop both feet to get into "rhythm jumper" mode

3-Catch the ball on the move, in full stride, taking two or three steps prior to beginning a speed dribble

4-Attack the rim on a "dribble-drive," end the dribble and then hop, and then take two or three steps to

get to the rim

 

Again, this type of stuff happens on all levels. I'm checking out ESPN highlights, plays of the day, etc., and it goes on all the time. It's glorified with "Oh, Babeeeeeees" from Dickie V. and others. It is an abomination and bastardization (no, not profanity here, so please, moderators, no censorship ... this is attempted legitimization of that which is not legitimate) of the rules of basketball! Why, how cannot this simple and time-tested rule not be called effectively?

 

No, the rules do not need to be changed. No, we do not need to now have a fourth official added to the crew - because the three just cannot keep up with the action on the floor. No, we do not need committees to study, evaluate, and then have the ridiculously worded measures such as "points of emphasis" each year - what a joke all this slop is.

 

JUST CALL IT AS IT IS WRITTEN! I have twin granddaughters who are first-graders playing their first organized b-ball. A friend came up to me and asked me, "When, at what age, do they call traveling - grade school, middle school?" After watching lots of hoops on TV, in the gyms, from the sidelines, etc, this year, and most recently, the sweet 16 the last three days, well, I'm not sure what to tell him.

 

Folks, I've seen this slop with my own two laser-repaired eyes, and I'm pretty sure of what I speak. Help and old brother out and let him know when the rule was officially changed. This is getting worse rapidly. ... and we haven't even addressed the "human torpedo dribblers" yet, let alone items 1, 2 and 4 above.

 

1. I can't visualize what you are talking about.

2. Drives me crazy. Saw it last night in a college game. Player caught the ball with feet on the floor. Two one step back then a second step back with the other foot to get behind the 3 pt line. Nothing called. Crazy.

3. I've never seen that happen without it being called a travel.

4. Jump stop is a misunderstood(by fans) and sometimes miscalled (by officials) rule.

The "out of control" dribbler is not a violation. The foul call still comes down to the defender either having legal guarding position or NOT having LGP. If he does not it doesn't matter how out of control the dribbler is. The foul is on the defender.

 

When a defender is in LGP and the dribbler initiates the contact is what I'm talking about. A defender is entitled to his space on the floor and vertically unless this has changed. Many times the dribbler hurls himself into the defender then shoots the ball and most of the time a foul is called on the defender.