Is it a catholic/public school with some of you, is that the real truth?

Is it a catholic/public school with some of you, is that the real truth?

 

Not at all. If you follow me at all you know what it is for me.

Not at all. If you follow me at all you know what it is for me.

 

I do and the enrollment is set, but people have a problem and its because the same schools win their region and go down. Is know different than football, you can almost know every year who will be in the state finals and yes I get it that football is the only one who has classes. HC, NCC, St. Henry they are all small schools they haven't had 100 freshman in years in enroll at the school, heck Brossart only had about 50 last year.

I do and the enrollment is set, but people have a problem and its because the same schools win their region and go down. Is know different than football, you can almost know every year who will be in the state finals and yes I get it that football is the only one who has classes. HC, NCC, St. Henry they are all small schools they haven't had 100 freshman in years in enroll at the school, heck Brossart only had about 50 last year.

 

All my talk is to find a way to make it actually for the teams that cannot compete otherwise. That's it. Year after year, just about anyone that is successful in the All A CAN compete in the regular region. So let's make it for the schools who can't. Then I would absolutely love this tournament! It just so happens that the catholic schools tend to float to the top of the All A more times than not. There is a reason for that as well. But if you remove the catholic schools, then it could potentially be part of the solution.

 

Tell me why it's a bad idea to remove the catholic schools. If the All A came out tomorrow and said "no more catholic schools", what would be the issues?

Tell my you remove them just because then can compete for the regional title because if so that's not a reason? What's your thought on the enrollment 200 if thats the case the ALL A would lose money and this tournament would not exist for those schools is that what you want? I understand what you are saying but to leave shools out because they can compete isn't a very good one, the girls final was amazing and if not for an unforced turnover HC doesn't win it, would that make everyone feel better if Murray won it because its a public school. I bet if HC would have lost we wouldn't be having this discusion now would we?

Tell me why it's a bad idea to remove the catholic schools. If the All A came out tomorrow and said "no more catholic schools", what would be the issues?

 

Hmm. Well, the perennial Catholic schools are at the high end of the enrollment qualification, so I'm guessing the feeling is the tournament sells more tickets because these schools are larger, have more of a fan base, and likely travel better.

 

So there would less $$ for the tourney. Which shouldn't be a problem because I've been told over and over it's not about making the money, but giving small school players and teams exposure they'll never get anywhere else - like for example at the KHSAA Regional tournament, or the KHSAA State Tournament.

 

I also imagine some would say you can no longer call it a "State Championship" since you have eliminated the Catholic schools. Wait? You mean when a team wins a privately organized tournament that doesn't include all the schools in the state as laid out by the current classification of the official governing body, you can no longer call them "State Champions"? Imagine that.

Tell my you remove them just because then can compete for the regional title because if so that's not a reason? What's your thought on the enrollment 200 if thats the case the ALL A would lose money and this tournament would not exist for those schools is that what you want? I understand what you are saying but to leave shools out because they can compete isn't a very good one, the girls final was amazing and if not for an unforced turnover HC doesn't win it, would that make everyone feel better if Murray won it because its a public school. I bet if HC would have lost we wouldn't be having this discusion now would we?

 

We would be having the discussion because I am talking about years, not one year. Was the intention of the tournament to allow small schools a chance to compete? If the answer is yes, then you answered your own question above. Remove the schools that can otherwise compete and make it what it is. I provided a suggestion before that allows the catholic schools to stay in the tournament too. I don't really care about whether a team is catholic or not. But it sure does start to take away some of the perennial winners (who in those years competed in their region) pretty quickly and is another way to start resolving the problem.

 

But you still haven't given me the what would be the major issues with only inviting the public schools. It's an invitation that goes out to the schools that can't compete right? Think of the 9th and remove NCC, HC, St Henry. Now who win the A in NKY? Would it actually be a team that didn't have any other opportunity to compete? And isn't what this tournament was intended for? I'm just saying it's not a bad idea if the intentions were to really make it about schools that don't get other opportunities to compete. Do you not like that idea? The criteria today is around enrollment...which has changed over the years. What is so outrageous about changing the criteria to public schools under a certain enrollment?

 

If anyone things it's about money, well don't you think that if those other schools had any chance in heck to win anything that their entire community wouldn't come out to support them??? You take away the catholic school attendance and it gets replaced by entire communities supporting their team. Nothing changes. They don't support it now because they have no prayer of even really winning a game at their A region because they get dominated by the others every year. If they had a chance, the support would be there.

Hmm. Well, the perennial Catholic schools are at the high end of the enrollment qualification, so I'm guessing the feeling is the tournament sells more tickets because these schools are larger, have more of a fan base, and likely travel better.

 

So there would less $$ for the tourney. Which shouldn't be a problem because I've been told over and over it's not about making the money, but giving small school players and teams exposure they'll never get anywhere else - like for example at the KHSAA Regional tournament, or the KHSAA State Tournament.

 

I also imagine some would say you can no longer call it a "State Championship" since you have eliminated the Catholic schools. Wait? You mean when a team wins a privately organized tournament that doesn't include all the schools in the state as laid out by the current classification of the official governing body, you can no longer call them "State Champions"? Imagine that.

 

So since you know so much about the enrollment at the catholic schools what is it?

We would be having the discussion because I am talking about years, not one year. Was the intention of the tournament to allow small schools a chance to compete? If the answer is yes, then you answered your own question above. Remove the schools that can otherwise compete and make it what it is. I provided a suggestion before that allows the catholic schools to stay in the tournament too. I don't really care about whether a team is catholic or not. But it sure does start to take away some of the perennial winners (who in those years competed in their region) pretty quickly and is another way to start resolving the problem.

 

But you still haven't given me the what would be the major issues with only inviting the public schools. It's an invitation that goes out to the schools that can't compete right? Think of the 9th and remove NCC, HC, St Henry. Now who win the A in NKY? Would it actually be a team that didn't have any other opportunity to compete? And isn't what this tournament was intended for? I'm just saying it's not a bad idea if the intentions were to really make it about schools that don't get other opportunities to compete. Do you not like that idea? The criteria today is around enrollment...which has changed over the years. What is so outrageous about changing the criteria to public schools under a certain enrollment?

 

If anyone things it's about money, well don't you think that if those other schools had any chance in heck to win anything that their entire community wouldn't come out to support them??? You take away the catholic school attendance and it gets replaced by entire communities supporting their team. Nothing changes. They don't support it now because they have no prayer of even really winning a game at their A region because they get dominated by the others every year. If they had a chance, the support would be there.

 

So eliminate Brossart, Cov Latin schools like that who's enrollment is way down because their a catholic school. What is your cut off number?

Hmm. Well, the perennial Catholic schools are at the high end of the enrollment qualification, so I'm guessing the feeling is the tournament sells more tickets because these schools are larger, have more of a fan base, and likely travel better.

 

So there would less $$ for the tourney. Which shouldn't be a problem because I've been told over and over it's not about making the money, but giving small school players and teams exposure they'll never get anywhere else - like for example at the KHSAA Regional tournament, or the KHSAA State Tournament.

 

I also imagine some would say you can no longer call it a "State Championship" since you have eliminated the Catholic schools. Wait? You mean when a team wins a privately organized tournament that doesn't include all the schools in the state as laid out by the current classification of the official governing body, you can no longer call them "State Champions"? Imagine that.

 

So bitter WHY?

HC (girls) and NC (boys) were much the best this year in class A tourney. They did nothing to tarnish the tourney at all. I did notice that a couple schools did not compete in the event this year like BTOWN in the boys (enrollment may have been factor idk). I do think that some schools have not played in various class A events in the past due to looking at bigger prize. I for one, think that if a school is not careful you can put so much emphasis on class A that there is a let down after the tourney. Still, the class A is a very unique and great experience for alot of kids.

So eliminate Brossart, Cov Latin schools like that who's enrollment is way down because their a catholic school. What is your cut off number?

 

I said I've provided ideas on how not to do that too. I'm just saying this is another possible solution.

 

But yes, if taking away the catholic teams removes a hurdle for the majority of teams that can't compete, then it may be an option. You may penalize a few of the very small catholic schools by doing it that way, but today you are penalizing hundreds of more public schools by the way it's it today. So you can provide all the small cath schools as examples, but I can provide about 5-1 public schools that are handicapped by the way it's done today.

 

I do my best to answer every question you throw at me and you divert from answering my questions.

 

Who wins without HC, NCC and St Henry in the A? And how awesome would that be for that community? And would we truly crown a regional champ that had absolutely no chance of success otherwise?

Making it for the small public schools may solve the issue of it not really being for teams that can't compete otherwise. This may not be a bad idea.

 

I suggest you eat fish this Friday just in case we are right!

I said I've provided ideas on how not to do that too. I'm just saying this is another possible solution.

 

But yes, if taking away the catholic teams removes a hurdle for the majority of teams that can't compete, then it may be an option. You may penalize a few of the very small catholic schools by doing it that way, but today you are penalizing hundreds of more public schools by the way it's it today. So you can provide all the small cath schools as examples, but I can provide about 5-1 public schools that are handicapped by the way it's done today.

 

I do my best to answer every question you throw at me and you divert from answering my questions.

 

Who wins without HC, NCC and St Henry in the A? And how awesome would that be for that community? And would we truly crown a regional champ that had absolutely no chance of success otherwise?

 

There is nothing to answer its set the way it is, and do you really think that a community the size of a Ludlow and i am not knocking Ludlow at all would fill a gym if they were in the finals? Well Ludlow boys made it to the final a few years back although they brought more than normal their normal crowd still didn't fill it, although i agree with you on some of your thoughts i just dont think you leave other schools out. The enrollment is set and the ones who play in it fit that criteria.

Would this argument being going on had HC not won the All A but are still in the sweet sixteen? They took care of business and the schedule put in front of them and therefore are All A State champs and start tomorrow towards a Khsaa state championship, give it a rest.