December 26, 201411 yr You haven't been looking very hard. Unequipped officers were targeted with bottles and bricks early on in Ferguson. Hopefully no officers have to go out there without proper equipment now... The ones who were equipped probably got most of their equipment from the military surplus. There were 150 officers in riot gear present on August 10th, the first day of the protests. They were ready for protests and potential riots from the get go.
December 26, 201411 yr You do realize officers are allowed to use whatever force is necessary to ensure the public safety first and theirs second. I'm not advocating firing into a crowd unless they are using methods that are possibly lethal. This would include throwing bricks, hammers, Molotov Cocktails, etc. Then, they need to be very sure of who they are shooting. I understand that. My point this whole time had been that plantmanky had no problem treating protesters that exhibit violence as terrorists and eliminating them. According to him that included opening fire on bottle throwers. I'm not okay with that. I feel as though lethal force should only be used against a crowd as an absolute last resort. I day this as much for the officer's well being as I do for the protesters. If you think the current environment is toxic against the police now what do you think it would be like if they open fire on a crowd of protesters that were not firing on them? It would be much worse than one nut killing 2 officers in New York.
December 26, 201411 yr I understand that. My point this whole time had been that plantmanky had no problem treating protesters that exhibit violence as terrorists and eliminating them. According to him that included opening fire on bottle throwers. I'm not okay with that. I feel as though lethal force should only be used against a crowd as an absolute last resort. I day this as much for the officer's well being as I do for the protesters. If you think the current environment is toxic against the police now what do you think it would be like if they open fire on a crowd of protesters that were not firing on them? It would be much worse than one nut killing 2 officers in New York. Again, there are other lethal methods that crowds can use short of gunfire towards officers. I think I made my stance on firing into crowds pretty clear.
December 26, 201411 yr This keeps up others resources may be used. Different ballgame then. Bad situation
December 26, 201411 yr Again, there are other lethal methods that crowds can use short of gunfire towards officers. I think I made my stance on firing into crowds pretty clear. And I've got no problem with your stance. I was responding specifically to plantmanky's stance which I see as completely inappropriate and borderline lunacy.
December 26, 201411 yr Ok, so after 2 1/2 pages we clarified one person's stance on how they would deal with unruly protestors, let's move on to discussing the topic at hand. Has anyone heard much more about this case? I saw the Missouri Congresswoman came to the defense of the officer.
December 26, 201411 yr This keeps up others resources may be used. Different ballgame then. Bad situation Agreed, and at this point, I think they should, this needs to stop.
December 26, 201411 yr Agreed, and at this point, I think they should, this needs to stop. Yep. men in cammo a little different than those in blue. Too bad it may come to that.
December 26, 201411 yr Yep. men in cammo a little different than those in blue. Too bad it may come to that. At least it will end it quickly.
December 26, 201411 yr There were 150 officers in riot gear present on August 10th, the first day of the protests. They were ready for protests and potential riots from the get go. And what about the officers that didn't have riot gear? Because it happened. There were several who were targeted with bottles and bricks from day 1, because they were not wearing riot gear.
December 27, 201411 yr Why not just back off if you're law enforcement? Are you being serious? If so read my my scenario in post #73 and tell me if the Police should just back away and let them do what they want to the town.
December 27, 201411 yr Are you being serious? If so read my my scenario in post #73 and tell me if the Police should just back away and let them do what they want to the town. So shoot them and rioters trash town anyway? No good answer.
December 27, 201411 yr So shoot them and rioters trash town anyway? No good answer. So just let the looters do as they want and let anarchy rule? If you are advocating that, the world is headed for the crapper.
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