October 22, 201411 yr I'm sure you do too, but I mean that as a "shot" at both the citizens of this country as well as the numerous cases of dirty/unethical behavior by LEO's. And the real unfortunate thing is that in both cases those groups of people are in the minority. Most people and LEO's go about things the right way, regardless of what mainstream media wants us to think. It is absolutely a double edged sword. I think it's awful that we have to worry about dirty cops, and I think it's even more ridiculous that some people test cops the way they do... In NO circumstance would I do something that I think would even remotely put me in harms way with the police.
October 22, 201411 yr No win situation. If the police officer is found to be at fault for this young man's death, there will be rioting. If the police officer is found to not be at fault for this young man's death, there will be rioting.
October 22, 201411 yr From what little I know about the case - which goes for practically everyone else in America - my guess is Brown and Wilson were in some type of altercation within or by the police vehicle, Wilson fights him off with a shot or two and takes him out from there with heightened adrenaline. I am not justifying his actions or evaluating the excessiveness of Wilson. No way of knowing that. I do not think Brown was innocently laying on his knees with his hands raised pleading for his life and he was taken out Taliban execution style. Again, who knows?
October 22, 201411 yr You're right. It is sad that we live in a world that we have to question Law Enforcement Officers... If Everyone lived by the rules..................oh nevermind.
October 22, 201411 yr From what little I know about the case - which goes for practically everyone else in America - my guess is Brown and Wilson were in some type of altercation within or by the police vehicle' date=' Wilson fights him off with a shot or two and takes him out from there with heightened adrenaline. I am not justifying his actions or evaluating the excessiveness of Wilson. No way of knowing that. I do not think Brown was innocently laying on his knees with his hands raised pleading for his life and he was taken out Taliban execution style. Again, who knows?[/quote'] Report shows shots happened in the car. Brown's body was found 100 feet from car. Where was he when the fatal shot occurred?
October 22, 201411 yr I was reading an article today and I don't know the validity but if true it will help the officer. Is it true Missouri state law says that LEO can use deadly force to stop someone suspected of a felony if they are trying to flee , regardless if they are armed or not? So if there was an altercation in the curiser I'm guessing fighting with the officer falls under those felonies and even if Brown tried to flee the officer was in his legal right to stop him. Again this was a random article posted so I'm not saying it's 100% valid was wondering if any of our Lawyers or LEO have any insight.
October 22, 201411 yr Report shows shots happened in the car. Brown's body was found 100 feet from car. Where was he when the fatal shot occurred? I have no clue. I assume you are referencing the other article (i.e. report) you posted a couple weeks ago with the 100' number. This article or the hyperlinked ones within it do not reference it unless I am missing it. Edited October 22, 201411 yr by bugatti
October 22, 201411 yr I was reading an article today and I don't know the validity but if true it will help the officer. Is it true Missouri state law says that LEO can use deadly force to stop someone suspected of a felony if they are trying to flee , regardless if they are armed or not? So if there was an altercation in the curiser I'm guessing fighting with the officer falls under those felonies and even if Brown tried to flee the officer was in his legal right to stop him. Again this was a random article posted so I'm not saying it's 100% valid was wondering if any of our Lawyers or LEO have any insight. Interesting. I thought shooting at fleeing felons had pretty much went by the way side. Unless the felon was endangering the officer or others. But like Lawildcat said it doesn't matter what the law says there will be rioting either way.
October 22, 201411 yr The article I read stated first shot at close range, Brown fled, then turned around and charged officer. How far away, I have no idea.
October 22, 201411 yr You're right. It is sad that we live in a world that we have to question Law Enforcement Officers... Unless you start building robots you will always have bad people in the world in every profession.
October 22, 201411 yr Unless you start building robots you will always have bad people in the world in every profession. Agreed. But I feel like distrust with the police is way higher than it should be... Some people's reasoning is justified, others aren't.
October 22, 201411 yr Interesting. I thought shooting at fleeing felons had pretty much went by the way side. Unless the felon was endangering the officer or others. But like Lawildcat said it doesn't matter what the law says there will be rioting either way. Maybe this is what everyone it's thinking of. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
October 22, 201411 yr Unless you start building robots you will always have bad people in the world in every profession. They are on the way... http://knightscope.com/
October 22, 201411 yr So from that article, one autopsy says the shots couldn't have been from close range, and now this newest one says it's very likely the initial shots were from close range... But wasn't the one report from the folks the Brown family lawyers hired?
October 22, 201411 yr Agreed. But I feel like distrust with the police is way higher than it should be... Some people's reasoning is justified, others aren't. It's way higher than it should be because social media has changed so much. Every time a police officer is perceived of doing something wrong it hits BGP in a matter of hours or days. It doesn't matter if the police officer actually did anything wrong, most of the initial comments condemn them without any proof other than a statement from someone they don't even know. Look no further than the thread about Daniele Watts and her boyfriend. I posted some statistics a while back from a website that appears to be dedicated to exposing police misconduct. Even their statistics support the statements that 99% of police do their jobs correctly. I found the numbers on another website. Here they are... In 2010 there were 705,009 sworn police officers in the United States. According to the CATO Institute's "National Police Misconduct Reporting Page" in 2010, there were 4,861 unique reports of police misconduct. According to the same page, 6,613 police officers were accused of misconduct in 2010. Keep in mind this is officers that were ACCUSED. This isn't proven cases of police misconduct. So with 705,009 police officers and 6,613 officers accused, that is .0938% of police officers accused of misconduct. FWIW, 1,575 of the officers accused of misconduct were accused of excessive force. So 0.223 % of police according to this report were accused of excessive force. These numbers aren't 100% accurate as I'm sure they don't have all allegations, but they also don't narrow it down for us to actual cases of police misconduct or excessive force, so in the end it might even itself out.
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