So a bullet to the spine is fair game ie we have no boundaries of what's acceptable.

 

Can you not have a conversation without stretching your hypotheticals to the absolute furthest point? Yes, I'm for hiring SEAL Team 6 snipers to secure the stadium and shoot to kill on command. Good?

 

How preposterous do you want to make your hypotheticals? I was fine with Schlegel hammering him. Know how to avoid your what-if's? Stay in the stands. It isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it is a potential security issue and in a stadium with 100,000 people, I'm taking no chances. Does the kid still think he is funny minus his scholly?

 

Stay in the stands.

Thanks. 1993.

 

Well lets see Kennedy was shot in an open convertible in 1963 but hey that was 51 years ago so I guess Obama should ride thru the streets waving to the crowd in plain view. (And note we can't even keep guys from jumping a fence and entering the White House).

If you've been to enough live sporting events you will have seen police officers do almost identical things to trespassers. Their just not former NFL players, I've seen clips of NFL guys making contact with people also.

If you've been to enough live sporting events you will have seen police officers do almost identical things to trespassers. Their just not former NFL players' date=' I've seen clips of NFL guys making contact with people also.[/quote']

 

The difference is police and/or security are hired to do that type of things.

 

I've seen trespassers get tackled, but excessive force is rare. It's even more unusual coming from a player and/or coach. In most instances, the players and staff avoid the trespasser and let the employees that are trained (and paid) to handle these types of situations do their jobs.

The difference is police and/or security are hired to do that type of things. I've seen trespassers get tackled' date=' but excessive force is rare. It's even more unusual coming from a player and/or coach. In most instances, the players and staff avoid the trespasser and let the employees that are trained (and paid) to handle these types of situations do their jobs.[/quote']

 

That's fine and I understand what you're saying but the coaches also have the right to protect the kids in my opinion.

Yes, I'm for hiring SEAL Team 6 snipers to secure the stadium and shoot to kill on command.

 

:lol2::lol2::lol2:

The difference is police and/or security are hired to do that type of things.

 

I've seen trespassers get tackled, but excessive force is rare. It's even more unusual coming from a player and/or coach. In most instances, the players and staff avoid the trespasser and let the employees that are trained (and paid) to handle these types of situations do their jobs.

 

I agree w/ this. That would be fine. However, I want them trained to taze. I want them to "Ride the lightning."

Can you not have a conversation without stretching your hypotheticals to the absolute furthest point? Yes, I'm for hiring SEAL Team 6 snipers to secure the stadium and shoot to kill on command. Good?

 

How preposterous do you want to make your hypotheticals? I was fine with Schlegel hammering him. Know how to avoid your what-if's? Stay in the stands. It isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it is a potential security issue and in a stadium with 100,000 people, I'm taking no chances. Does the kid still think he is funny minus his scholly?

 

Stay in the stands.

 

My original point was that the coach went too far. You and others have repeatedly said you're OK with anything that keeps fans in the stands. I've repeatedly pointed out the fallacy of "anything" and yet I still just read "anything." So, I use extreme obvious examples to show that it's NOT "anything." We can't even have a debate of what's acceptable until we all admit there is a limit.

 

Let's say you're the AD. You are responsible for a huge budget in the school. You're telling me you do not have a conversation with a coach about going too far because your'e worried what MIGHT have happened? Come on. You're going to protect the university. This coach put the school at risk and you as the AD would obviously have to consider what's acceptable.

 

That's the point. Kids aren't open to "anything" when it comes to acceptable ways to stop them when it's 100% obvious they are not putting anyone in danger.

Well lets see Kennedy was shot in an open convertible in 1963 but hey that was 51 years ago so I guess Obama should ride thru the streets waving to the crowd in plain view. (And note we can't even keep guys from jumping a fence and entering the White House).

 

 

You know how we know this isn't a big deal and a real threat? Nothing has been done since 1993 to change or eliminate the possibility of a fan running onto the field. The teams and venues are willing to take their chances because of lack of a real threat.

So we've seen kids get tased. We've seen them get tackled. We've now seen them get bodyslammed. Yet we'll see it again soon. Why? Because just like the death penalty not preventing people from committing murder this on-field punishment is not going to keep kids from trying it. They do not think before acting. It's human nature. Humans , especially college-aged kids, aren't changing.

 

So just stop with "we have to do something..." Short of shooting them or making it a felony they're not stopping.

So we've seen kids get tased. We've seen them get tackled. We've now seen them get bodyslammed. Yet we'll see it again soon. Why? Because just like the death penalty not preventing people from committing murder this on-field punishment is not going to keep kids from trying it. They do not think before acting. It's human nature. Humans , especially college-aged kids, aren't changing.

 

So just stop with "we have to do something..." Short of shooting them or making it a felony they're not stopping.

 

That's fine. If it does not work as a deterrent for the rest of them, that is fine. I don't completely agree w/ that though. I believe that if kids KNOW for a FACT that security will dole out that kind of physical punishment, then they will think twice.

 

Right now, more than likely a kid may get tackled by an overweight off duty police officer after running around on the field to the point of exhaustion. There is no retribution physically. It hurts later when they are fined and lose the right to attend future games or scholarships, but kids aren't thinking about that. Now, if you believe that if they KNOW that they will get tazed b/c that is the uniform response to invading the field that they won't think twice, I can't agree with that until I see it in practice.

Let's say you're the AD. You are responsible for a huge budget in the school. You're telling me you do not have a conversation with a coach about going too far because your'e worried what MIGHT have happened? Come on. You're going to protect the university. This coach put the school at risk and you as the AD would obviously have to consider what's acceptable.

 

Great question, and here is exactly how I'd handle it. Privately, I'd tell Schlegel to leave it to the security force because him pile driving Biff is a photo we can't undo. I'd tell him I'm not mad at him, and I love where his heart was, but we hire security for a reason.

 

Then I'd pull my beat writers together and I'd address it. I'd tell them that we don't apologize for what happened, and that we take the security of both teams, both sets of coaches, and the 100,000 fans very seriously, and anyone who hits the field / court during a game is going to be forcibly removed and will be dealt with by law enforcement and the University. I don't apologize for that hard stance because the good of the many outweighs the good of the selfish individual in pursuit of a laugh. I hope our fans understand my stance and will support my "Stay in the Stands" mantra moving forward.

Great question' date=' and here is exactly how I'd handle it. Privately, I'd tell Schlegel to leave it to the security force because him pile driving Biff is a photo we can't undo. I'd tell him I'm not mad at him, and I love where his heart was, but we hire security for a reason. Then I'd pull my beat writers together and I'd address it. I'd tell them that we don't apologize for what happened, and that we take the security of both teams, both sets of coaches, and the 100,000 fans very seriously, and anyone who hits the field / court during a game is going to be forcibly removed and will be dealt with by law enforcement and the University. I don't apologize for that hard stance because the good of the many outweighs the good of the selfish individual in pursuit of a laugh. I hope our fans understand my stance and will support my "Stay in the Stands" mantra moving forward.[/quote']

 

And why would you tell him to not do it? Just the image or fear of potential lawsuits from a seriously injured kid?

And why would you tell him to not do it? Just the image or fear of potential lawsuits from a seriously injured kid?

 

If it happens again w/ that coach, or anyone else on my staff, I fear the lawsuits. That photo being evidence 1A. That being said, I train my security extensively on this. No more blue hairs in the lower bowl for security. I want people capable of reacting right away.

And why would you tell him to not do it? Just the image or fear of potential lawsuits from a seriously injured kid?

 

That picture, with time, will lose context. Plus, it isn't his job / responsibility.