Huh? Really? I think this is the exact opposite!! NCC could absolutely care less what their record is prior to districts and championship play. This is what I love about them and their schedule. They are a PRIME example of what I'm talking about. They go out in the first part of their season and play bigger and faster teams that challenge them. They mentally prepare their kids for the "big picture". When NCC gets to their 2A schedule, they are fully prepared and because of their schedule, the game slows down for them. The kids aren't as consistently bigger and faster, so NCC is not stunned by ANYONE in 2A because they have seen it already. Does that guarantee they win...nope...but they are definitely prepared for it.

 

You are obviously not reading the NCC threads.

 

It's obvious on here how much the parents care about this team it really is and I'm sure that everyone is frustrated, but what I say is this if you all are this frustrated imagine how the kids are feeling right now. Show them that you guys stand behind them and are proud of them because from the games I've seen the kids have never given up not 1 game no matter the score. So don't give up on them. I know no parent on here is intentionally trying to hurt a kids feelings or belittle them

It to. Good luck to the Breds the rest of the season.

Agreed here! However, what happens when two good teams finally meet up? Would you rather be on the sidelines of the team that is 6-4, but battle tested and challenged all year or the side of the team that is 10-0 and played no one that has challenged them or anyone else all year. I'm not predicting one or the other would win. I'm asking you, which sidelines would you rather be on going into the game?

Something you leave out of the equation that is huge. That is Confidence.

 

I'd rather be on the sideline of the team that is 10-0 and believes they can beat anybody than the team that is 4-6 and got pounded and running clock by the good teams they played. Even as a coach, I'd rather have a group of kids that believe they can win than a group of kids who have gotten beat down numerous times and couldn't wait for the games to be over with.

 

 

I will put it this way. Cooper back in 2011 and 2012 when playing Grant Co. had stories about GC's players during the game. It wasn't even half time yet but some of the Cooper players were already being askedby GC players where the parties were after the game. That is where their minds were. They were already beat before they stepped foot on the field and had no interest in playing the game at all and that is because they just spent the entire season being beat down by everyone they played. Cooper is always their last game of the district play and by the time that game comes around GC players already feel defeated.

 

So give me a 10-0 team anytime.

Not trying to get in the middle of your discussion with HB, but....really depends on where you're program is in it's maturation. If you're an established team, 6-4 is fine with strong opponents. If your developing, 10-0 may be more important to you.

 

BTW, still no way to know, from year to year, which teams in NKY will be good. With the exception of Highlands, its a coin flip.

 

First Bold: I agree and that's why I say challenging for your program. Not every T and X has to be on your schedule. But how long it is that you are considered mature? Is 10 years of winning and 5 of the last 6 are double digit wins? That team is ready for a challenge now (and it looks like they are now), regardless of the speed bump they had just a couple years ago. Even then, that teams had 7-8 years of winning prior to the 2-9 season. I understand that you need to retain the support of the community and that was an issues years ago. But this is a much different community than what was out there years ago. I wouldn't think you'll have much issue with support anymore. Part of that is winning and the other is a much different community and family types that are out there now.

 

Second bold: I agree 100%. But if you're program is trying to grow, then there are plenty of programs that produce a solid team every year, even in NKY. Put a couple of those on your schedule as mainstays and leave them there...especially with what you say being true...you never know what you're going to get out of the NKY schools year to year. If you had some solid mainstays, when the unpredictables are up, your schedule is really good, but when they are down, its still solid! And if your fan base leaves or participation goes down after one mediocre record against a real good schedule, then you were just fooling yourself if you really ever had a chance to create something special anyway. My guess, if a team is playing a solid schedule most years and there are teams on their schedule every year that are going to be very tough for them to beat, I bet it would even raise the level of interest, especially in those two games. And then when you beat one, the interest goes out the roof and they all drink the kool-aid.

 

Prime example and I'm sorry to use the HHS example, but its the easiest one to use for me. HHS for years would go play GCL teams and get whooped. HHS had very good teams in most of those years. The scores would be like 14-7 at half. Then we'd lose 34-7, 42-14, etc. Did they stop playing them, no, they figured out how to start competing with them. One of the things that came out of us playing schools like that is that it was obvious their depth was better. The other thing was we were consistently smaller and a step slower over a course of a game. HHS evolved from that and made the right changes because they learned more from a loss (sometimes a blowout loss) than they did from beating up other teams. People say, well don't use HHS as an example of playing a good schedule, they were already there. Well they had to start somewhere. There were always lean years at HHS too. No, never where SK was at one point, but they never let it get there.

You are obviously not reading the NCC threads.

 

Honestly, I don't care what the threads say today or about this team. History tells me what they do pays off more often than not. This particular team is a year away and I bet most know that and have realistic expectations. When something isn't perfect, someone is always going to complain.

 

So are you saying they should have scheduled lighter this year than normal? I really hope that's not what you're saying. Are we really to the point where we have to change things around so every kid gets a trophy...meaning "we know we aren't going to be as strong as usual, lets schedule a little lighter so our boys can finish 8-2 and not get their feelings hurt". Or do we stay the course, knowing that we may take our lumps 1 or even two years, but it will make us better for it in the long run. There is absolutely no shame in what a slightly down NCC team is doing against the 6A schools. 6A schools should pound NCC every year that that is not the case at all. So just because NCC is having a down season, it's time to stop scheduling tough? Bet they don't do that and I bet that's why they will always be very competitive in their division. Teams whose programs go up and down and don't keep the consistency schedule to their down years. Teams that maintain a program over time, schedule challenging...regardless of who they have coming up.

Something you leave out of the equation that is huge. That is Confidence.

I'd rather be on the sideline of the team that is 10-0 and believes they can beat anybody than the team that is 4-6 and got pounded and running clock by the good teams they played. Even as a coach, I'd rather have a group of kids that believe they can win than a group of kids who have gotten beat down numerous times and couldn't wait for the games to be over with.

 

 

I will put it this way. Cooper back in 2011 and 2012 when playing Grant Co. had stories about GC's players during the game. It wasn't even half time yet but some of the Cooper players were already being askedby GC players where the parties were after the game. That is where their minds were. They were already beat before they stepped foot on the field and had no interest in playing the game at all and that is because they just spent the entire season being beat down by everyone they played. Cooper is always their last game of the district play and by the time that game comes around GC players already feel defeated.

 

So give me a 10-0 team anytime.

 

First, who said they got pounded by a running clock??? What if that team lost to HHS by 3 td, BG by 25, Cov Cath by 2 tds and John Hardin by 10 (in a typical JH year). And beat other solid teams for their 6 wins. Are they deflated?? No way.

 

Second...Confidence only goes so far when its false confidence. I'm not saying every kid on that 10-0 team isn't going in to that game feeling invincible...In fact, they probably are. But as soon as they get smacked in the face by a team that has attributes they haven't experienced before, that confidence goes away real fast. Then it become oh :poop: mode and now the team is on their heals. In my opinion, this is exactly what happens to SK every year and why they can't get over the hump. They eventually get to a point where they can't bully their way around the field like they do to NKY 6A schools and lesser division schools they play. All of a sudden they are up against kids that match their size and now they can't get the same push off the line as they usually do. And now they are facing a big defensive end with speed they aren't used to seeing and they keep keep him out of the backfield. Receivers that didn't have to work super hard at any point in the season find themselves blanketed and don't know how to shake them. Defensive backs that have been able to get away with back peddling to cover receivers now find themselves chasing bigger faster receivers down field thinking "please drop it". Running backs are hitting the wholes faster with less time for the LB's to react. And offensive lineman are faster and able to get out in front of their running backs and get in better position to block. When you play a non-challenging schedule, you don't experience those things. Your confidence may be up until your all of a sudden down two td's. I'm not trying to pick on Simon Kenton, but if the Butler game last year was not the wake up call to help them realize exactly what I'm saying, they will never get it.

Something you leave out of the equation that is huge. That is Confidence.

 

I'd rather be on the sideline of the team that is 10-0 and believes they can beat anybody than the team that is 4-6 and got pounded and running clock by the good teams they played. Even as a coach, I'd rather have a group of kids that believe they can win than a group of kids who have gotten beat down numerous times and couldn't wait for the games to be over with.

 

 

I will put it this way. Cooper back in 2011 and 2012 when playing Grant Co. had stories about GC's players during the game. It wasn't even half time yet but some of the Cooper players were already being askedby GC players where the parties were after the game. That is where their minds were. They were already beat before they stepped foot on the field and had no interest in playing the game at all and that is because they just spent the entire season being beat down by everyone they played. Cooper is always their last game of the district play and by the time that game comes around GC players already feel defeated.

 

So give me a 10-0 team anytime.

 

AGAIN, I'm not saying Grant Co should schedule T, X, Moeller, HHS, Cov Cath and BG and they will win state next year. I am saying all teams should schedule "challenging". Whatever "challenging" means to each program. Each program's definition of challenging will be different. If you are a bad 2A school, your definition of a challenging schedule may look much different than Cooper's definition of a challenging schedule. A challenging schedule means you have at least a couple games that could go either way with another couple games that you would have to play extremely well to win!

 

I know you don't like my softball stories...but I'm telling you it anyway. Last year at HHS, I put together a schedule for our high school team (who by the way up until about 3-4 years ago was a glorified rec program in fastpitch softball) that was super challenging for the talent we had. We told them before the first game was played that there was a chance we are 500 going into districts. Our schedule was going to be that challenging. But not to get discouraged because it was going to help us improve and be ready for post season play. Guess what, we went 27-11, won the region and went to state. The first Camp Co team ever to win the region. Now please don't try and cross sports. I know there are major differences. But the philosophy and strategy can be mimicked across any sport.

 

Let's say it this way. Lets go back 1000's of years. And your village was going to battle to keep its land. You have allies on each side of you. You know the invasion is coming, but you don't know when. Are you going to be better off training and preparing against the men of the other villages or against the teenagers in your own village? Well if you beat up the teenagers everyday, you are probably feeling pretty good about your chances....until the invasion comes and men are on the other side of you that are actually presenting a challenge and maybe skills, techniques and strength you weren't prepared for and your village gets burned to the ground. I'm not saying that training against the men of the other villages would have changed the outcome, but it might have prepared you better for what you were going to see and maybe minimize casualties.

:stop: RCC9, I hear your mom calling you to come home.

:stop: RCC9, I hear your mom calling you to come home.

 

I talked to him at lunch, you can tell he's truly enjoying this.

I talked to him at lunch, you can tell he's truly enjoying this.

 

You mean RCC9 does things other than hang out on BGP?

You mean RCC9 does things other than hang out on BGP?

 

Nope, we work for BGP. That's why he saw me at lunch! And I coach, have 4 kids, run an AAU organization (well not anymore), volunteer at a soup kitchen...I'm just good at multi-tasking and a fast typer!

AGAIN, I'm not saying Grant Co should schedule T, X, Moeller, HHS, Cov Cath and BG and they will win state next year. I am saying all teams should schedule "challenging". Whatever "challenging" means to each program. Each program's definition of challenging will be different. If you are a bad 2A school, your definition of a challenging schedule may look much different than Cooper's definition of a challenging schedule. A challenging schedule means you have at least a couple games that could go either way with another couple games that you would have to play extremely well to win!

 

I know you don't like my softball stories...but I'm telling you it anyway. Last year at HHS, I put together a schedule for our high school team (who by the way up until about 3-4 years ago was a glorified rec program in fastpitch softball) that was super challenging for the talent we had. We told them before the first game was played that there was a chance we are 500 going into districts. Our schedule was going to be that challenging. But not to get discouraged because it was going to help us improve and be ready for post season play. Guess what, we went 27-11, won the region and went to state. The first Camp Co team ever to win the region. Now please don't try and cross sports. I know there are major differences. But the philosophy and strategy can be mimicked across any sport.

 

Let's say it this way. Lets go back 1000's of years. And your village was going to battle to keep its land. You have allies on each side of you. You know the invasion is coming, but you don't know when. Are you going to be better off training and preparing against the men of the other villages or against the teenagers in your own village? Well if you beat up the teenagers everyday, you are probably feeling pretty good about your chances....until the invasion comes and men are on the other side of you that are actually presenting a challenge and maybe skills, techniques and strength you weren't prepared for and your village gets burned to the ground. I'm not saying that training against the men of the other villages would have changed the outcome, but it might have prepared you better for what you were going to see and maybe minimize casualties.

 

Well if the teenagers in your village are like CC and the neighbors are like GC, I'm calling the neighborhood kids out

SK will have it's way with Ryle.

 

Sorry, looks like I'm in the wrong thread.

How many of the sophs for Ryle are getting meaningful varsity minutes? I know the junior class has a lot of talent in front of them but you have to figure some of those kids are getting playing time.

SK will win big yet again. Ryle has not improved enough to compete with them yet

after reading this thread about the scheduling of games.. I asked my son who plays for SK why they have the same exact sched. as last year just at the other teams field. He stated that they set their sched for 2 years?? does anyone know if this is true? When SK played Holy Cross last year they where state champions the year B4. Collins was State runner up and i believe NCC was in the mix somewhere as well..in their respective classes of course. looking forward to someone answer to the question "are sched set for 2 years"

Edited September 24, 201412 yr by bradrh20