Cooper is playing Highlands next year and it is a coincidence that Cooper should be pretty good next year also. Probably best team since 2012. So becauE they play HHS they should win state in 6A then right?

 

So you are saying scheduling has more to do with the success of a team than talent?

 

Could you explain them why Ryle has no state titles or that other teams that don't have really tough schedules do have state titles?

 

I've already explained the Ryle situation. A lot more going on there than scheduling issues. That's pretty obvious. There are way more examples in any sport where scheduling better teams helps you to prepare for the challenges ahead. There will always be someone better than and I don't care how many athletes you have, unless you have been tested, challenged and have seen the athleticism and speed of very good teams, you can't be fully prepared.

 

I will give you your one example of Scott County. However, I will say that the teams they played last year had horrible records. BUT, they were all 6A schools except for one. So it wasn't like they tried to schedule below their means, the teams just stunk last year. The other school was a good 5A team. So there is a little difference with their schedule and their attempt to play a good schedule, they just hit a year when all the teams stunk. Again, they tried to play a 6A schedule to prepare themselves. In their example, they did have enough talent to not bother them and they are an exception to the rule. There are always exceptions.

 

As for Collins schedule, I will challenge you on that one. See below.

 

SK - 6A - 12-1

S. Oldham - 5A - 8-4

Ballard - 6A - 5-6

Shelby Co - 5A - 6-5

Atherton - 4A - 0-10 District game

Spencer Co - 4A - 6-5 District game

Central Hardin - 6A - 11-2

Waggoner - 4A - 1-9 District game

N. Oldham - 4A - 9-4 District game

Anderson Co - 5A - 11-3

 

So Collins played all 5 and 6A schools outside of their district play...some of which were pretty good! Even just a decent 6a team can help a 4A team prepare because it's likely they will have some size and some speed. May not be a good "TEAM", but chances are they are going to have some athletes that challenge you MOST of the time. That schedule looks like a schedule their staff set up to challenge them to make the run they had. Again, to have a challenging schedule doesn't always mean T, X or Moe has to be on it.

Cooper is playing Highlands next year and it is a coincidence that Cooper should be pretty good next year also. Probably best team since 2012. So becauE they play HHS they should win state in 6A then right?

 

Now you like to take things to the extreme. Playing HHS or anyone else doesn't guarantee anything. But playing HHS, Cov Cath and any other school that is challenging and mimics what you'll see in the playoffs will absolutely help you. The more you see team speed and size, the more comfortable you become with it. I don't say it guarantees you a state championship, I say it helps improve your program. And for the record, playing HHS next year may not fit that scenario anyway. As much as I hate to say it, I'm a little apprehensive talking HHS smack for the next two years. It may be a "wait and see" thing. But they pick it back up soon.

Now you like to take things to the extreme. Playing HHS or anyone else doesn't guarantee anything. But playing HHS, Cov Cath and any other school that is challenging and mimics what you'll see in the playoffs will absolutely help you. The more you see team speed and size, the more comfortable you become with it. I don't say it guarantees you a state championship, I say it helps improve your program. And for the record, playing HHS next year may not fit that scenario anyway. As much as I hate to say it, I'm a little apprehensive talking HHS smack for the next two years. It may be a "wait and see" thing. But they pick it back up soon.

 

I understand what are saying. What I'm saying is it is ridiculous to think of a team plays Higlands for example that that will translate into that team winning state or even get better than they would if they didn't play HHS.

 

Schedule has less to do with winning than just having talent in the team.

 

All those schools HHS blew out in a game, did those teams go on and win anything big or made them better? The answer is no.

What I'm saying is playing a tough schedule doesn't necessarily make your team better what it does is gives you a measuring stick to see how good your team actually is.

Since you didn't give me examples of someone who did it your way and you hate the Ryle comparison, I will give you another local team that got caught up in scheduling and killed the interest in their program. HC started from the ground up with softer opponents and gradually increased their schedule. They won a state championship, and then got greedy. They put SK back on their schedule along with Cooper Conner and beechwood. They now have zero out of district wins and their program is suffering. Just because SK is a 6A school does not mean that the students and community can't lose interest in a program, just look at their first 50 years of existence. The reason everyone uses Ryle as a comparison is because they were in a place very similar to SK just a few years ago. We all no there were other issues going on but how many of those were caused by the over zealous schedule? That is a question that none of us will truly be able to answer. I totally agree with a couple of very challenging games on your schedule but 2 years ago NCC, Conner, & Cooper would all have been thought of as challenging games. No one predicted the level of separation between SK and these teams and this years schedule suffers because of it. For the record HHS is definitely on the schedule but I believe Bryan Station not Cov Cath is the other team next year.

 

Yet another local example of over aggressive scheduling is NCC.

I understand what are saying. What I'm saying is it is ridiculous to think of a team plays Higlands for example that that will translate into that team winning state or even get better than they would if they didn't play HHS.

 

Schedule has less to do with winning than just having talent in the team.

 

All those schools HHS blew out in a game, did those teams go on and win anything big or made them better? The answer is no.

 

Not arguing that at all. I'm just saying playing a challenging schedule does nothing but good for your program...in MOST cases. Challenging schedules, having talent, a lot of other factors and a little bit of luck all contribute to state championships.

Yet another local example of over aggressive scheduling is NCC.

 

Huh? Really? I think this is the exact opposite!! NCC could absolutely care less what their record is prior to districts and championship play. This is what I love about them and their schedule. They are a PRIME example of what I'm talking about. They go out in the first part of their season and play bigger and faster teams that challenge them. They mentally prepare their kids for the "big picture". When NCC gets to their 2A schedule, they are fully prepared and because of their schedule, the game slows down for them. The kids aren't as consistently bigger and faster, so NCC is not stunned by ANYONE in 2A because they have seen it already. Does that guarantee they win...nope...but they are definitely prepared for it.

Huh? Really? I think this is the exact opposite!! NCC could absolutely care less what their record is prior to districts and championship play. This is what I love about them and their schedule. They are a PRIME example of what I'm talking about. They go out in the first part of their season and play bigger and faster teams that challenge them. They mentally prepare their kids for the "big picture". When NCC gets to their 2A schedule, they are fully prepared and because of their schedule, the game slows down for them. The kids aren't as consistently bigger and faster, so NCC is not stunned by ANYONE in 2A because they have seen it already. Does that guarantee they win...nope...but they are definitely prepared for it.

I think the point being made is, it doesn't matter who you schedule. If you are a good team you will win and if you are a bad team you will lose.

 

What many seem to misunderstand is a basic fact.

 

If Grant Co. schedules CCH and Highlands and Trinity, that will do nothing to make them better,if anything it will do the opposite, it will make them so shell shocked that the kids more than likely will give up and quit playing. That doesn't make a team better. To think it will is just foolish. If playing better teams was a guarantee to make you good enough to win state, then maybe Highlands should schedule all top GCL teams this year before district play because clearly their schedule last year wasn't good enough to win state.

 

I think it gets kind of pompous thinking only teams that play great teams can win anything. Again, SK playing a Moeller this year will not make them better. They will still be as good as their talent takes them and nothing more. You can never show me an example to prove me wrong because there isn't a team you can point to that you can say was better because they played Trinity or Highlands etc. Just isn't possible, yet I can show you example after example of teams that went far simply because of the players on the team itself.

 

Again, a team will be good when that team has good players and coaching. A team with bad players will not go far at all period. Nothing to do with who they play.

Not arguing that at all. I'm just saying playing a challenging schedule does nothing but good for your program...in MOST cases. Challenging schedules, having talent, a lot of other factors and a little bit of luck all contribute to state championships.

Again, it doesn't.

 

Again, if Grant County played Highlands, CCH and Trinity and Moeller for their out of district games will not make them better, it may and probably will actually make them worse. It will make them worse because the kids will have no confidence and many will be on the sidelines on crutches etc. Just because you play a great team does not mean you will improve.

 

As I said earlier the only thing playing a good team will do is give you a measuring stick on how good your team is. That's it. The only thing playing a top notch team will do is if you already have a really good team you can see if you can hang with them and if you can then it can give confidence that you may win against them or a team like that down the road for that season. Nothing 3 years ago carries over to this year if SK played Moeller 3 years ago. The whole idea that Cooper would have won if they played highlands in 2012 is nothing more than ego from Highlands fans who made that statement back then.

To your surprise, I'll take the Pioneers in this one. Why, you might ask? Still mad at the PA guy for playing music while my Pioneers are at the line of scrimmage in a no huddle. Oh yeah, don't like that Union yacht in the endzone either. :banana:

I think the point being made is, it doesn't matter who you schedule. If you are a good team you will win and if you are a bad team you will lose.

 

What many seem to misunderstand is a basic fact.

 

If Grant Co. schedules CCH and Highlands and Trinity, that will do nothing to make them better,if anything it will do the opposite, it will make them so shell shocked that the kids more than likely will give up and quit playing. That doesn't make a team better. To think it will is just foolish. If playing better teams was a guarantee to make you good enough to win state, then maybe Highlands should schedule all top GCL teams this year before district play because clearly their schedule last year wasn't good enough to win state.

 

I think it gets kind of pompous thinking only teams that play great teams can win anything. Again, SK playing a Moeller this year will not make them better. They will still be as good as their talent takes them and nothing more. You can never show me an example to prove me wrong because there isn't a team you can point to that you can say was better because they played Trinity or Highlands etc. Just isn't possible, yet I can show you example after example of teams that went far simply because of the players on the team itself.

 

Again, a team will be good when that team has good players and coaching. A team with bad players will not go far at all period. Nothing to do with who they play.

 

Here's what you're missing. I'm not saying for Grant Co to schedule those guys. I'm saying, yes, even Grant Co should schedule aggressively for them. I have no idea what kind of program they have, but they should always have a schedule that will challenge them. I just said it before, it does't have to be the top in the state to put together a challenging schedule. Each team should have an idea of what kind of schedule is going to challenge them. If you are a top team on the rise, your schedule is most likely going to be more challenging than an avg team that is stagnate. But if I were the coach of the latter, I would still schedule aggressively. I'm not trying to be 10-0 going into the playoffs. I would love to be 5-5 and know my team has been challenged all year. Period.

 

And you keep relating SOS to championships. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it can absolutely be a contributing factor to building and sustaining high levels of play in any sport. I can't say it any different than that. And yes, talent has to be there to win championships, but belief that you can win also have to be there. There are a lot of talented teams that don't have very good records and there are a lot of teams with a ton of talent that can never get over the hump....hmmmmm....do we know any of those teams?

I think the point being made is, it doesn't matter who you schedule. If you are a good team you will win and if you are a bad team you will lose.

What many seem to misunderstand is a basic fact.

 

If Grant Co. schedules CCH and Highlands and Trinity, that will do nothing to make them better,if anything it will do the opposite, it will make them so shell shocked that the kids more than likely will give up and quit playing. That doesn't make a team better. To think it will is just foolish. If playing better teams was a guarantee to make you good enough to win state, then maybe Highlands should schedule all top GCL teams this year before district play because clearly their schedule last year wasn't good enough to win state.

 

I think it gets kind of pompous thinking only teams that play great teams can win anything. Again, SK playing a Moeller this year will not make them better. They will still be as good as their talent takes them and nothing more. You can never show me an example to prove me wrong because there isn't a team you can point to that you can say was better because they played Trinity or Highlands etc. Just isn't possible, yet I can show you example after example of teams that went far simply because of the players on the team itself.

 

Again, a team will be good when that team has good players and coaching. A team with bad players will not go far at all period. Nothing to do with who they play.

 

Agreed here! However, what happens when two good teams finally meet up? Would you rather be on the sidelines of the team that is 6-4, but battle tested and challenged all year or the side of the team that is 10-0 and played no one that has challenged them or anyone else all year. I'm not predicting one or the other would win. I'm asking you, which sidelines would you rather be on going into the game?

Agreed here! However, what happens when two good teams finally meet up? Would you rather be on the sidelines of the team that is 6-4, but battle tested and challenged all year or the side of the team that is 10-0 and played no one that has challenged them or anyone else all year. I'm not predicting one or the other would win. I'm asking you, which sidelines would you rather be on going into the game?

 

Not trying to get in the middle of your discussion with HB, but....really depends on where you're program is in it's maturation. If you're an established team, 6-4 is fine with strong opponents. If your developing, 10-0 may be more important to you.

 

BTW, still no way to know, from year to year, which teams in NKY will be good. With the exception of Highlands, its a coin flip.

I should have said Highlands and SK. Highlands has been good for 100 years (or so I hear) and SK did have a disappointing 2011 season.