I wonder if they actually frisked all of the patrons? Or just said they were going to to see if anyone reacted.

 

 

From an article on the search:

 

The bar’s owner said police never served a search warrant, and she said police locked the front and back doors and searched about 40 patrons.

 

One customer asked about their rights, an employee said, and a police officer told him he had “the right to shut up.”

Trampling on the 4th Amendment is the same if you're wearing riot gear, camo shorts or clown shoes.

Not really a trampling of the Fourth, but I know that's how you see it.

 

He told them he was going to do it, did anyone refuse? If no one refused or said no, then they tactically gave their approval to be patted down.

 

There are cases every day where police officers ask to search a vehicle or enter a building and they are refused permission. Then they only have two options apply for a warrant or walk away.

From an article on the search:

 

The bar’s owner said police never served a search warrant, and she said police locked the front and back doors and searched about 40 patrons.

 

One customer asked about their rights, an employee said, and a police officer told him he had “the right to shut up.”

You always have the right to remain silent :lol2:

What is shown in the video only shows frisks--but even those are not permissible unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the subject is dangerous and concealing a weapon. I seriously doubt that you can justify thinking all 40 patrons were concealing weapons.

 

Well if you find out they did everyone then there's legit beef. If it was just whoever Brad is then.. They can probably articulate it. And if they just ID'd folks who appeared to be under age, then still no big deal. I wonder if there's cameras in the bar that can shed more light on this

From an article on the search:

 

The bar’s owner said police never served a search warrant, and she said police locked the front and back doors and searched about 40 patrons.

 

One customer asked about their rights, an employee said, and a police officer told him he had “the right to shut up.”

 

Did he look like Ben Stiller?

 

Well if you find out they did everyone then there's legit beef. If it was just whoever Brad is then.. They can probably articulate it. And if they just ID'd folks who appeared to be under age, then still no big deal. I wonder if there's cameras in the bar that can shed more light on this

 

I haven't read any statements from the police department but according to the owner (and by all accounts that I've read this is a shady place so I don't know how accurate their quotes are) they were never presented with a search warrant. The front and back doors were locked and 40 people inside were frisked before being allowed to leave.

I haven't read any statements from the police department but according to the owner (and by all accounts that I've read this is a shady place so I don't know how accurate their quotes are) they were never presented with a search warrant. The front and back doors were locked and 40 people inside were frisked before being allowed to leave.

I think there are some compliance reviews/audits that may be completed without a warrant that are known by the business owner as part of the licensing process. That would not continue to the patrons, just coming in an reviewing compliance with the terms of the liquor license.

I think there are some compliance reviews/audits that may be completed without a warrant that are known by the business owner as part of the licensing process. That would not continue to the patrons, just coming in an reviewing compliance with the terms of the liquor license.

 

 

It said that they were working with the ABC so checking everyone's ID was likely fine. Telling everyone that they had to be patted down was not--especially when they locked the doors and would not let anyone leave.

Here's the case that applies to this: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/444/85/case.html

 

It is almost identical to the one at Cahoots.

I haven't read any statements from the police department but according to the owner (and by all accounts that I've read this is a shady place so I don't know how accurate their quotes are) they were never presented with a search warrant. The front and back doors were locked and 40 people inside were frisked before being allowed to leave.

 

It's usually best to get both sides on stuff like this before forming an opinion. People tend to exaggerate or use incorrect terms.

 

So far the word searched is used instead of the proper term "frisked/pat down"

 

Wouldn't they likely need keys to lock the doors? More likely is officers were staged at the exits.

 

People loosely throw around terms that don't reflect what actually occurs. IE. I've seem people say police "used deadly force" for simply upholstering a weapon.

 

Unfortunately the media cares more about mouse clicks and getting people fired than actual truth. This goes for all occupations, coaches, elected officials, business managers, athletes, etc.

It said that they were working with the ABC so checking everyone's ID was likely fine. Telling everyone that they had to be patted down was not--especially when they locked the doors and would not let anyone leave.

 

I'm skeptical about the "locking of doors". That's a fire code violation I'd think?

It's usually best to get both sides on stuff like this before forming an opinion. People tend to exaggerate or use incorrect terms.

 

So far the word searched is used instead of the proper term "frisked/pat down"

 

Wouldn't they likely need keys to lock the doors? More likely is officers were staged at the exits.

 

People loosely throw around terms that don't reflect what actually occurs. IE. I've seem people say police "used deadly force" for simply upholstering a weapon.

 

Unfortunately the media cares more about mouse clicks and getting people fired than actual truth. This goes for all occupations, coaches, elected officials, business managers, athletes, etc.

I guess that could look nice if you use the right pattern but seems weird.

I guess that could look nice if you use the right pattern but seems weird.

 

This is the new 1911. It comes in in a blued finish, parkerized, nickel plated, stainless, or houndstooth.

I'm skeptical about the "locking of doors". That's a fire code violation I'd think?

 

I just skimmed all of this but it sounds a lot like Unlawful Imprisonment by the police to me.

 

I am not big on taking legal action against anyone (only the lawyers win most of the time) but I may consult with one here if I was one of the patrons.

I was once searched and frisked going to a bar in Louisville. I had just pulled into the parking lot and as I was stepping out of my car a patrol car came right behind me. The two officers announced they were going to search me and my car. Back then I didn't know much about rights so I didn't object. The had me empty my pockets and put the contents on top of my car and the step back. They then searched the car. When they found nothing they simply thanked me for my cooperation and left. I later learned this bar didn't have the best reputation but still, just randomly snatching people when they get to the parking lot is going a little far.