October 11, 201411 yr Your post got me thinking - is the Catholic Church the only church that officially kicks people out? It seems to me that churches should be trying to include people. CWB and Getslow can confirm this but I believe technically the Catholic Church does not excommunicate anyone, the individual separates themselves (excommunicated themselves) from the church and the church officially makes them aware of it.
October 13, 201411 yr IOOF member here. Going to the annual session in Louisville; Monday-Wednesday. International Order of Old Farts?
October 13, 201411 yr IOOF member here. Going to the annual session in Louisville; Monday-Wednesday. International Order of Old Farts? What an odd fellow... (Bet it's the first time papa's ever heard that one.)
October 13, 201411 yr What an odd fellow... (Bet it's the first time papa's ever heard that one.) He's the O F. Original Fart.
October 13, 201411 yr CWB and Getslow can confirm this but I believe technically the Catholic Church does not excommunicate anyone, the individual separates themselves (excommunicated themselves) from the church and the church officially makes them aware of it. Both are technically possible. So long as the canon law provides for it on the particular offense, it is possible that a person may be excommunicated statim, ipso facto, "at once and by the fact itself". That is latae sententiae excommunication. But there is still also ferendae sententiae excommunication, which means that a judge in a position of ecclesiastical authority (a bishop or other judge appointed by a bishop), summons the accused before a tribunal and after weighing the case, pronounces the guilt of the accused. The latter is very rare these days, but it does happen. The bishops of the Society of St. Pius X were excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for performing illicit confirmations of bishops not approved by the Church. Those excommunications were later lifted by Pope Benedict XVI during the talks to restore that group to communion with Rome.
October 13, 201411 yr Both are technically possible. So long as the canon law provides for it on the particular offense, it is possible that a person may be excommunicated statim, ipso facto, "at once and by the fact itself". That is latae sententiae excommunication. But there is still also ferendae sententiae excommunication, which means that a judge in a position of ecclesiastical authority (a bishop or other judge appointed by a bishop), summons the accused before a tribunal and after weighing the case, pronounces the guilt of the accused. The latter is very rare these days, but it does happen. The bishops of the Society of St. Pius X were excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for performing illicit confirmations of bishops not approved by the Church. Those excommunications were later lifted by Pope Benedict XVI during the talks to restore that group to communion with Rome. Whoa....somehow or other I missed Bert's entire post there, but I think Getslow got it covered completely.
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