I'm pretty sure the KHSAA stands silent on the camp situations. Probably the right thing for them to do seeing how most college recruiting and evaluation starts at camps and combines. I don't think the KHSAA should get involved in that, and it would seem they agree with me.

 

I disagree.

 

If you are going to make it mandatory to only have full contact during 10 days in the spring and as of August 1st, then the KHSAA should make a rule that no camp participants have contact outside of this time period.

I disagree.

 

If you are going to make it mandatory to only have full contact during 10 days in the spring and as of August 1st, then the KHSAA should make a rule that no camp participants have contact outside of this time period.

The fact remains, the KHSAA remains silent on the issue. There's a reason.

 

Name states that's do have restrictions on "Camps" and what those restrictions are. I venture a guess that the vast majority of states stay out of camp situations.

The fact remains, the KHSAA remains silent on the issue. There's a reason.

 

Name states that's do have restrictions on "Camps" and what those restrictions are. I venture a guess that the vast majority of states stay out of camp situations.

 

Interesting that in Bylaw 23, Section 5, Subsection a)-(2)-f.-iii., there contains a very interesting comment about "contact practice" and "including camps" in the same subsection. This means that camps are not excluded from contact practice rules.

 

http://khsaa.org/handbook/20142015/bylaws.pdf

 

Bylaw 23: Limitations of Seasons

 

Sec. 5) SPORTS SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS- FOOTBALL

 

a) Organized practice shall be structured in football as follows:

 

(1) During the period beginning on the day immediately

following the dead period (Bylaw 24) and through July 31,

member schools may participate in non-contact simulations

(i.e. 7 on 7) and such participation does not count against

scrimmage limitations provided that the first practice in full

pads has not been conducted. The school issued helmet

may be used during these activities, but no other equipment

included in NFHS Rule 1-5 may be issued prior to the dates

detailed in subsection (a)(2) of this section. The KHSAA

catastrophic insurance is not in effect for these simulations if

other schools are involved;

 

(2) Preseason and during season practice in football shall be

as follows:

a. The first legal organized practice wearing a helmet only

shall be no earlier than July 22;

b. The first three (3) days of organized practice shall be in

helmets only and the next three (3) days shall be in helmets

and shoulder pads for acclimatization and acclimation;

c. For the three practice days in shoulder pads and helmets,

there can be no contact with other players, only with sleds

and dummies;

d. Provided such activity is conducted and supervised by

coaches meeting all qualifications of Bylaw 25, these

practice sessions shall be covered by KHSAA Catastrophic

insurance;

e. The remainder of the gear specified in NFHS Rule 1-5 can be

issued and practice in pads can begin no earlier than August

1 or the week day following the completion of the required

three (3) days of practice in helmets and shoulder pads if

such date is after August 1; and

f. Any practice period on or after August 1 where any

equipment other than the helmet and shoulder pads are

worn shall be referred to as contact practice, and shall

adhere to the following restrictions:

i. After contact practice has begun, a non-contact simulation

as detailed in sub-section 1) above may not be held;

ii. After contact practice has begun and prior to the first day of

classes for the students, a school shall not conduct multiple

on-field practice sessions in pads (e.g., two-a-days or

three-a-days) on consecutive days (e.g., two-one-two-one

format);

iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour

break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no

activity that in any way simulates football or football drills.

This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice

occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout

areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;

v. The total practice time on any day where two contact

practices are conducted shall not exceed five (5) hours,

with no single contact practice exceeding three (3) hours.

The total practice time on any day where only one contact

practice is conducted shall not exceed three (3) hours.

Meetings, film study, water breaks, rest breaks and injury

treatment shall not count against the five hour limits.

Weight training, voluntary conditioning and teaching

period/walk through simulations without equipment shall

not count against the five hour limit provided the three-hour break

required for cool down is conducted prior to the additional activity

following the contact practice;

v. After the opening day of the school year, a school shall not

conduct multiple on-field practice sessions in pads (e.g.,

two-a-days or three-a-days); and

vi. All schools shall upon request, submit any required

documentation to verify the proper execution of the

practice regulations, including scrimmage, contact, and

Heat/Humidity Measurement and Compliance Programs.

In other words, these camps are considered contact practice and must follow the contact practice rules.

iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills.

This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice

occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;

Didn't y'all get the memo? Nobody in Gtown goes by the rules... When in Gtown, do as the Gtownians do.

Lol

Didn't y'all get the memo? Nobody in Gtown goes by the rules... When in Gtown, do as the Gtownians do.

Lol

 

 

:lol2:

Didn't y'all get the memo? Nobody in Gtown goes by the rules... When in Gtown, do as the Gtownians do.

Lol

 

Another site has a similar thread.

 

There are camps in Campbellsville doing the same thing.

 

The lack of KHSAA oversight in this regard is a slap in the face to all of the schools that follow the rules.

iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills.

This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice

occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;

You are using a section that is talking about time between practice to support an argument that players can't have contact at camps. An area which all camps that I have seen abides by, by the way.

 

This section that you quote pertains to "time of rest between contact practices", not "exclusion of contact practices at camps". In fact, by virtue of the Bylaws saying this time of rest must also occur at camps the same as it must occur at home practices pretty much validates the point that contact at camps is permissible. Why else would they specify that the time of rest must occur at "camps".

You are using a section that is talking about time between practice to support an argument that players can't have contact at camps. An area which all camps that I have seen abides by, by the way.

 

This section that you quote pertains to "time of rest between contact practices", not "exclusion of contact practices at camps". In fact, by virtue of the Bylaws saying this time of rest must also occur at camps the same as it must occur at home practices pretty much validates the point that contact at camps is permissible. Why else would they specify that the time of rest must occur at "camps".

 

Do the Rams go to camp?

Do the Rams go to camp?

The linemen go to Down and Dirty at EKU each year, which is a contact camp. Many other schools from Kentucky are there as well. The skill players attend a 7 on 7 camp at EKU the same week, which is a non-contact camp and basically a big 7 on 7 tournament.

You are using a section that is talking about time between practice to support an argument that players can't have contact at camps. An area which all camps that I have seen abides by, by the way.

 

This section that you quote pertains to "time of rest between contact practices", not "exclusion of contact practices at camps". In fact, by virtue of the Bylaws saying this time of rest must also occur at camps the same as it must occur at home practices pretty much validates the point that contact at camps is permissible. Why else would they specify that the time of rest must occur at "camps".

 

Football camps where contact occurs outside of the aforementioned accepted dates is a slap in the face to every program that abides by the rules.

 

Your reasoning is not correct regarding this issue. If your reasoning agrees with the KHSAA, then they are wrong as well.

iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills.

This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice

occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;

 

"regardless of where the practice occurs including camps"

 

How much more clear does it have to be that practice includes camps?

Football camps where contact occurs outside of the aforementioned accepted dates is a slap in the face to every program that abides by the rules.

 

Your reasoning is not correct regarding this issue. If your reasoning agrees with the KHSAA, then they are wrong as well.

I'm just saying, you are quoting a rule about rest time and saying that has to do with teams participating in contact camps. You are wrong in that respect.

I'm just saying, you are quoting a rule about rest time and saying that has to do with teams participating in contact camps. You are wrong in that respect.

 

That's how I read it. Pretty self-explanatory.

 

Contact camps are allowable, just comply with the mandated rest periods.