July 1, 201412 yr God came to me in a dream last night and said my business should deny health insurance coverage to people with cancer. So, how much time do you have?
July 1, 201412 yr Found this in trying to find an answer to a question I kept asking and got no answer to... The Green family has no moral objection to the use of 16 of 20 preventive contraceptives required in the mandate, and Hobby Lobby will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees. However, the Green family cannot provide or pay for four potentially life-threatening drugs and devices. These drugs include Plan B and Ella, the so-called morning-after pill and the week-after pill. Covering these drugs and devices would violate their deeply held religious belief that life begins at the moment of conception, when an egg is fertilized. So they are covering 16 Birth Control drugs just not After Contraception Drugs...
July 1, 201412 yr So, how much time do you have? How much time isn't as important as what you do with your time.
July 1, 201412 yr They aren't making any decisions for them, just saying if you want to end your pregnancy your employers insurance doesn't have to pay for it. Planned Parenthood is still more than happy to do that for them. Two problems with your argument. Some businesses want every form of The Pill excluded for "religious reasons." And let's not forget all those red-state attempts to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood. Sure looks like an assault on women any way you slice and dice it.
July 1, 201412 yr One of the main themes of the presidential election of '16 will be "men deciding what form of health care women are allowed to have." Something along the lines of: Viagra? No problem. The Pill? Not so fast. The more I think about it, the religious component of this gosh-awful decision is almost irrelevant. The Democratic candidates simply need to point out this is yet another example of someone other than a doctor telling women what they can or can't do. :lol2:
July 1, 201412 yr Two problems with your argument. Some businesses want every form of The Pill excluded for "religious reasons." And let's not forget all those red-state attempts to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood. Sure looks like an assault on women any way you slice and dice it. No it doesn't it, that's just how you want to spin it. What business want's to stop ALL Birth Control?
July 1, 201412 yr Two problems with your argument. Some businesses want every form of The Pill excluded for "religious reasons." And let's not forget all those red-state attempts to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood. Sure looks like an assault on women any way you slice and dice it. I guess I missed the part where the decision made all forms of the pill illegal.
July 1, 201412 yr No it doesn't it, that's just how you want to spin it. What business want's to stop ALL Birth Control? The following is the second reference to this that I've seen. One article said more than 50. This blurb says more than 40. No specifics. Maybe someone else can fill in the names of the companies. "More than 40 private companies have filed suits protesting the contraception mandate, including some that don’t want to provide any type of birth control at all. ... Among the firms that have filed suit are construction, law, automotive and medical device businesses." http://mashable.com/2014/07/01/hobby-lobby-birth-control-coverage/ http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-sebelius-contraceptive-for-profit-lawsuits Edited July 2, 201412 yr by Twotoplace Added 2nd link naming companies
July 1, 201412 yr So can aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen and just about every other OTC medication. Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner You have GOT to be kidding me!
July 1, 201412 yr Your thoughts on this article? Seven reasons birth control pills shouldn't require a prescription - Vox On my phone so I'll read this as soon as I have the chance. But, I have personal experience with the pill and the females in my family as well. PCOS runs in our family. There's no way I'd do a "trial and error" on various different hormonal combinations and dosages without being under the care of a doctor. The side effects I've witnessed or personally experienced include blood clots, violent mood swings, extraordinary weight gain, cessation of menstruation, development of cysts in the breasts....maybe none seem serious enough to some of you to feel a doctor should be monitoring the patient, but they are most definitely.
July 2, 201412 yr And as I stated in the other thread, I am fine with this ruling. What is making me rocket through the roof is the misinformed in these discussions so condescendingly ignoring that birth control is used by a lot of women for treatment of diseases and conditions other than contraception. I understand the ruling ostensibly only pertains to those drugs that end a pregnancy. From a religious perspective I agree. From the basis for then ruling I agree. As a woman, I wonder what happens if a Hobby Lobby employee is raped, though. This does strip her of the coverage for even taking a "morning after" type of drug unless she could afford to pay it in full herself. I wonder if Susie Cashier would have it within her means.
July 2, 201412 yr Hypothetical for all: Let say the government passes a law that says AUP policies on forums can not be based on religious beliefs - and owners of these 'for profit' forums must tolerate anything and everything in terms of content posted including vile, obscene, depraved pictures and content. After almost all who object to porn are religious - correct? Being anti-bestiality is religious. Anti-nudity - very religious puritan religion based. So none of these rules or any that could even remotely be traced to 'religion' or sacred beliefs can be in place. And the government is going to enforce this under penalty of law. What happens to this forum? What does the Guru do?
July 2, 201412 yr And as I stated in the other thread' date=' I am fine with this ruling. What is making me rocket through the roof is the misinformed in these discussions so condescendingly ignoring that birth control is used by a lot of women for treatment of diseases and conditions other than contraception. I understand the ruling ostensibly only pertains to those drugs that end a pregnancy. From a religious perspective I agree. From the basis for then ruling I agree. As a woman, I wonder what happens if a Hobby Lobby employee is raped, though. This does strip her of the coverage for even taking a "morning after" type of drug unless she could afford to pay it in full herself. I wonder if Susie Cashier would have it within her means.[/quote'] Honest question. How much does an effective dose of a "morning after" pill cost? Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner
July 2, 201412 yr Honest question. How much does an effective dose of a "morning after" pill cost? Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner Between $27 and $60 according to a quick Google search.
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