July 2, 201412 yr Some are holding fast to "but it only includes four medications, all of which are (perhaps) abortifacient drugs." But now the precedent has been set. If a business's religion (since evidently they can have a religion) is against all forms of birth control, why would they have to cover drugs that CAN be used as an oral contraceptive, but can also be used for a myriad of other issues? If a business's religion is against psychiatric drugs, why would they be forced to cover it? There are many other examples. To me, the slippery slope IS the issue. Maybe some of our legal types on here can explain if this opinion is limited in scope.
July 2, 201412 yr I disagree strongly with the decision. However, I think the Dems may be able to use this in future elections. I look for them to contuinue pointing out Conservatives disregard for women's health issues. It cost them the White House in '14 and it likely will again in '16. The conservatives must have missed the white house election in 14, that's probably why it cost us. I like our chances fine in 16 though.
July 2, 201412 yr I mean, I am seeing that right, aren't I? It won't get to the SC early on — a few people will test-run it at select courts before making a big, broad challenge. Then it's gonna get weird and ugly. You're seeing that right, yes. But you make a good point. This is something that will likely require a federal judge at a district level making some kind of major decision prior to the Supreme Court hearing anything about it.
July 2, 201412 yr I still maintain that other medically necessary items are routinely denied coverage. I don't understand why this class of drugs is considered sacrosanct. Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner
July 2, 201412 yr I understand what you're saying, but again, I think it largely comes back to the belief that people are being forced to provide a treatment that will intentionally end an otherwise viable life. That argument can't be made about psychiatric drugs, etc. The medications COULD to that. They can also prevent fertilization in the first place, as do regular oral contraceptives. Also, since the SC has already rules on the abortion issue, why is that an issue?
July 2, 201412 yr The medications COULD to that. They can also prevent fertilization in the first place, as do regular oral contraceptives. Also, since the SC has already rules on the abortion issue, why is that an issue? Because until now, the abortion costs were not legally required to be covered by an employer's heath insurance policy.
July 2, 201412 yr Because until now, the abortion costs were not legally required to be covered by an employer's heath insurance policy. Again, these medications can work to prevent fertilization. The other way that they can work is to prevent a fertilized egg from attacking to the uterine wall. This is not the same as paying for an abortion.
July 2, 201412 yr Again, these medications can work to prevent fertilization. The other way that they can work is to prevent a fertilized egg from attacking to the uterine wall. This is not the same as paying for an abortion. Therein lies the moral argument. The Catholic Church, for example, teaches that morally those are the same.
July 2, 201412 yr Therein lies the moral argument. The Catholic Church, for example, teaches that morally those are the same. So what will Stop Catholic businesses (again, since businesses can have a religion) from opting out of all medications that can be used as oral contaceptives? Thus, the slippery slope.
July 2, 201412 yr If potential employees know that at the outset and it is part of their decision making process in whether to take a job what's the problem?
July 2, 201412 yr Translation: "I don't have an answer". Hobby Lobby covers women's health, it's obtuse to think otherwise. Women's health and "slippery slope" argument: Don't worry about it. Gun control and "slippery slope" argument: Over my dead body. And the GOP wonders why it's losing the female vote.
July 2, 201412 yr So what will Stop Catholic businesses (again, since businesses can have a religion) from opting out of all medications that can be used as oral contaceptives? Thus, the slippery slope. Well....I think we'll find out. The Catholic Church was working on its case long before this decision came through. I haven't followed it closely at this point, so I'm not sure it's in the federal courts as of yet, but I'm sure it will be.
July 2, 201412 yr And to clarify, Hobby Lobby's health care plan still includes access to: Male condoms Female condoms Diaphragms with spermicide Sponges with spermicide Cervical caps with spermicide Spermicide Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin ("Combined Pill") Birth-control pills with progestin alone ("The Mini Pill") Birth control pills (extended/continuous use) Contraceptive patches Contraceptive rings Progestin injections Implantable rods Vasectomies Female sterilization surgeries Female sterilization implants The Supreme Court's decision specifically allows Hobby Lobby to not provide coverage for the following four items - and ONLY these four: Plan B ("The Morning After Pill") Ella (a similar type of "emergency contraception") Copper Intra-Uterine Device IUD with progestin The Catholic Church's suit does (or will, in the case that it has not been filed in federal courts yet) include all 20 items on both of those lists, with the exceptions of non-elective vasectomies and non-elective female sterilization surgeries - meaning the patient has to have the surgery done for medical reasons other than the prevention of procreation.
July 2, 201412 yr Women's health and "slippery slope" argument: Don't worry about it. Gun control and "slippery slope" argument: Over my dead body. And the GOP wonders why it's losing the female vote. Look, I'm just going to call it like it is. Everyone on here knows that you're doing exactly what the administration and the vast majority on left is doing. Lying about women not being able to get contraceptives because of the HL decision and lying about the "evil" republicans not caring about women's health. Fear mongering at it's finest. I know that if you tell a lie enough, uneducated people will believe it, but you're wasting your time here, BGP people are informed and know better.
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