So if my kid goes missing, and I go into a police officer's back yard looking for my kid, I "feel threatened" and kill his dog, what happens to me?

 

Hopefully you find your kid.

I agree it was unlikely. I will not say it was impossible.

 

It also wasn't impossible for the child to have entered one of the houses in the neighborhood. So why not kick in all the doors of people that aren't home or force the ones that are home to allow a search?

Hopefully you find your kid.

 

And if he doesn't he's getting arrested and charged, wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by doomer

Is this a serious question?

 

I assume so, so I will spend the one minute to answer it... of course animals are not viewed the same as humans by the law. However, that does not preclude a level of animals rights whereby they are in every case protected from abuse and within context (animals for food, game) not available for man to kill at his whim or pleasure.

 

I don't often quote Bible verses:

 

Job 12:7-10 - But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this? In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.

 

My conclusion is that life...creatures and the environment are not ours to destroy or do as we please.

 

 

Check the bolded smarty "pants".

So killing a cow to eat or a deer getting his head blasted in the forest isn't abuse...I bet they would disagree

 

Didn't notice the bolded originally...

It also wasn't impossible for the child to have entered one of the houses in the neighborhood. So why not kick in all the doors of people that aren't home or force the ones that are home to allow a search?

Just as likely maybe moreso that he could have slipped into Ft Knox (that guys back yard)!

Just as likely maybe moreso that he could have slipped into Ft Knox (that guys back yard)!

 

And that's my point, neither one is very likely which is why you'd have a hard time using exigent circumstances to defend being in the yard. This goes back to a discussion on here about whether we'd be okay with police trampling on the constitution to save lives. Morally it might be the right thing to do but no one should be exempt from the consequences of their actions if they are incorrect in their thinking. This seems to be a case of that. The officer probably was just thinking about finding the kid and didn't think how unlikely it was that the child was in that yard. As a matter of fact he probably wasn't just concerned with that yard but was looking through all of them for the kid. However, in the process he went out of bounds, got into a situation that he caused and compounded the problem by killing a dog that was in its own yard. I don't want the guy prosecuted or even fired--but where I work if you exhibit a lack of judgment and derail a train (and I'm not talking about a catastrophe, I'm talking about setting a couple of wheels on the ground due to improper switch usage) you get disciplined for it.

 

And you never did give your opinion on the scenario that I posted a couple of pages back.

So killing a cow to eat or a deer getting his head blasted in the forest isn't abuse...I bet they would disagree

Didn't notice the bolded originally...

 

:lol2: I agree with you. I do eat meat, although I had to reconcile this concept. I believe animals can be humanely raised and slaughtered. I don't mean this judgementally, but I choose not to eat foods where there is question...such as veal...about the treatment of the animal. Chickens, cattle, pigs should all be treated humanely and if slaughtered done so in a way to minimize stress and suffering...and this can be done. I am not a hunter, but I am not one to take away what others believe is their right especially if they are doing it legally and as humanely as possible and in accordance with the wildlife management authorities.

 

Of course priority should be given to human life, but it is also as often quoted a measure of the progress of a society or civilization is how they treat their animals. On that note today, I read that the June death toll of civilians in Iraq was over 2,400 lives. It is my suspicion that these terrorists and murderers don't treat animals very will either.

While short on details the Chief says the officer claims the dog was about to attack him.

What I want to know is did Officer Olsen yell "No!" loudly when the dog approached him? Most dogs that have been socialized to humans understand "No" and will back off. I've done that a time or two in my life and it has worked on non-aggressive breeds like Weimaraners. Or did Olsen just over-react given the Weimaraner's size? I also want to know if the smirking female animal control officer in the video assisted the dog's owner with proper removal of the animal from the property. I'm confused as to what her actual duties were at the scene.

And you never did give your opinion on the scenario that I posted a couple of pages back.

 

Which post #?

I'm interested to hear the details of what made te officer feel threatened by the dog.

I'm interested to hear the details of what made te officer feel threatened by the dog.

 

I'd assume the same things that would make you feel threatened if confronted by a dog that made you feel threatened.

Which post #?

 

 

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Since your exploring different scenarios how about this one: It's night. The officer knocks on the door and gets no response. He then decides to take a look in the back yard and jumps the fence just like in this case. He then decides to look around on the back porch. While the officer is conducting his search he knocks over a chair. The homeowner, who was asleep when the officer knocked hears the noise, retrieves his gun and then fires on the officer before realizing it is a police officer--no one is injured. Should he be charged? Now should he be charged if he hits the officer?

If you shoot at someone for just being in your yard you could face charges...in your scenarios case I don't think there would be charges. He may be initially arrested but I don't think he would be charged...Heck Indiana just passed a law legalizing shooting of police officers in your home.

This thread has been a great discussion , adults agreeing and disagreeing without being nasty . One of the many threads that makes BGP very enjoyable .

If you shoot at someone for just being in your yard you could face charges...in your scenarios case I don't think there would be charges. He may be initially arrested but I don't think he would be charged...Heck Indiana just passed a law legalizing shooting of police officers in your home.

 

Unfortunately, with the proliferation of no knock warrants a law like that was probably necessary. I think officers are done a huge disservice when they have to serve a lot of these warrants. I'd rather see some evidence get destroyed than have people get killed in some of the situations that have resulted from those type of warrants. But that's a discussion for another thread I suppose.

 

And I don't mean that I'm advocating harming police officers. However, mistakes have been made where the wrong residences have been raided and people have been shot--both citizens and police.