So let's say your on vacation in South America and they can't reach you, can they walk through your fields and woods looking for the person as long as they don't kick your door in?

 

How would I ever know? Now, if they did it and killed one of my pets in the process, like this guy did, I'd use every legal remedy at my disposal against them.

Your second example is completely within the rights of the police in that situation.

 

As to the first one, yes, I'd be okay with it.

 

Also we're not talking about solely the right to privacy here. We're talking about Constitutional Rights as a whole. If you're allowed to crap all over one, then you what's to stop doing the same to other rights.

 

Let's turn the tables, you have a child that is missing. They go door to door looking. A neighbor on the street, one you don't know, refuses to let the police search his home or property without a warrant. You feel you should be allowed to force your way into his home, by force if necessary, to search the home, without consequence?

 

If it was your child would you not want to cops to kick in that door and deal with the consequences?

 

We're kind of all on the same page here. We all think the cop should be punished. I just think a child missing gives him a right to hop that fence and search every yard near by. When you have kids ( I don't think you have any) I think you would think differently. If a kid went missing in my neighborhood I would walk through every single yard in my area without asking permission helping look for that kid and hope like heck I didn't get shot. I would take the risk though to help someone find their kid.

How would I ever know? Now, if they did it and killed one of my pets in the process, like this guy did, I'd use every legal remedy at my disposal against them.

 

That's the other thing. The guy who's dog was killed has every single right to be upset and to sue and or pursue criminal charges. My opinion is I would want that cop looking for my kid in the same way.

If it was your child would you not want to cops to kick in that door and deal with the consequences?

 

We're kind of all on the same page here. We all think the cop should be punished. I just think a child missing gives him a right to hop that fence and search every yard near by. When you have kids ( I don't think you have any) I think you would think differently. If a kid went missing in my neighborhood I would walk through every single yard in my area without asking permission helping look for that kid and hope like heck I didn't get shot. I would take the risk though to help someone find their kid.

 

My kid, would I want that? Absolutely. What I want isn't important though. We live in a country where procedures and rules have to be followed and I wouldn't want it any other way. Basically what I'd want is irrelevant. What I want and what the officers are allowed to do are two totally different things. I'd also make damn sure my kid isn't on my own property before I call the police. If I'm the dog owner, I have serious issues with the idiot parents.

Do you think there are judges that would sign a blanket search warrant like you are suggesting ? If not then the police didn't have a right to hop the fence.

 

Is there such thing as a Blanket Search Warrant covering multiple random homes?

 

I know your just sticking to the Libertarian talking points but even you have to see there can be exigent circumstances where getting a warrant isn't feasible due to scope or time restraints.

If I'm the dog owner, I have serious issues with the idiot parents.

This!

Is there such thing as a Blanket Search Warrant covering multiple random homes?

 

I know your just sticking to the Libertarian talking points but even you have to see there can be exigent circumstances where getting a warrant isn't feasible due to scope or time restraints.

 

Exigent circumstances are very specific and require the officer to have probable cause. What you're describing is extremely broad. Exigent circumstances aren't carte blanche.

 

The Fourth Amendment wasn't written to make it harder to save people or catch criminals, but to prevent abuses by the government. I think this case is a small example of why there is wisdom in the amendment.

My kid, would I want that? Absolutely. What I want isn't important though. We live in a country where procedures and rules have to be followed and I wouldn't want it any other way. Basically what I'd want is irrelevant. What I want and what the officers are allowed to do are two totally different things. I'd also make damn sure my kid isn't on my own property before I call the police. If I'm the dog owner, I have serious issues with the idiot parents.

 

Agreed.

Exigent circumstances are very specific and require the officer to have probable cause. What you're describing is extremely broad. Exigent circumstances aren't carte blanche.

 

The Fourth Amendment wasn't written to make it harder to save people or catch criminals, but to prevent abuses by the government. I think this case is a small example of why there is wisdom in the amendment.

 

I highly doubt the Fourth Amendment was written to save a dog from being killed looking for a lost child. It was probably written so if there was a child missing the cops couldn't just bust down doors arresting criminals that have nothing to do with the missing child though, so your point is correct.

This story makes me sick to my stomach. The officer was doing his job while searching for the child, but he completely violated his rights as an officer by shooting the dog. HE went onto private property without informing the owner....if someone walked into your house unannounced you'd be protective of your house just as the dog was. That dog breed, are the dogs from sesame street, never known to be violent, and a bark doesn't mean the dog is violent. It bothers me to no end that these officers are killing house pets inside their own homes. Action should definitely be taken against this officer as well as other like him. Not only should he be fired and stripped of his badge, but he should be sued.

 

I have a newfoundland (looks like a black bear) and she is the sweetest creature..loves children and just wants to be loved, but now I am hesitant to walk her or leave her hanging around outside when we have bbq's because I am so nervous and afraid an officer will think she's dangerous. Should not be what pet owners have to deal with.

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This story makes me sick to my stomach. The officer was doing his job while searching for the child, but he completely violated his rights as an officer by shooting the dog. HE went onto private property without informing the owner....if someone walked into your house unannounced you'd be protective of your house just as the dog was. That dog breed, are the dogs from sesame street, never known to be violent, and a bark doesn't mean the dog is violent. It bothers me to no end that these officers are killing house pets inside their own homes. Action should definitely be taken against this officer as well as other like him. Not only should he be fired and stripped of his badge, but he should be sued.

 

I have a newfoundland (looks like a black bear) and she is the sweetest creature..loves children and just wants to be loved, but now I am hesitant to walk her or leave her hanging around outside when we have bbq's because I am so nervous and afraid an officer will think she's dangerous. Should not be what pet owners have to deal with.

 

Do you know how rare it is that an officer shoots a house pet ? There are literally hundreds of thousands of police going on millions of calls every day. Live your life...the police aren't out to kill your pets.

 

Do you know how rare it is that an officer shoots a house pet ? There are literally hundreds of thousands of police going on millions of calls every day. Live your life...the police aren't out to kill your pets.

 

It's actually not as rare as you imply. I did some searching, and although their currently is no national database for this statistic, there is an estimate by some of 1 every 98 minutes. There are 2 Facebook groups I've found so far with posts of stories of pets killed by police.

It's actually not as rare as you imply. I did some searching, and although their currently is no national database for this statistic, there is an estimate by some of 1 every 98 minutes. There are 2 Facebook groups I've found so far with posts of stories of pets killed by police.

 

That comes out to over 5,000 per year...no way that it is any where near that high. That group even admits they have no idea and are just guessing...the only point of the group making that claim is a major critic of Law Enforcement.

 

I'd like to see more concrete data than a guess from an anti police organization.

It's actually not as rare as you imply. I did some searching, and although their currently is no national database for this statistic, there is an estimate by some of 1 every 98 minutes. There are 2 Facebook groups I've found so far with posts of stories of pets killed by police.

 

Post some findings. Then let's see a break down of how many of those were justified and how many times the police shot dogs with no reason while owners were out walking them or having a BBQ in their yard. I'd say it's still pretty rare.