I said something earlier on this thread because I thought those saying that this call caused the championship to be "tarnished" when in fact, neither Ashland nor Johnson Central really had a chance to win the tournament, or really affect who did.

 

Now I feel obligated to disagree with everyone calling for Ashland to criticize or punish their coach. How many of you people have ever told an umpire that the call in favor of your team was wrong and that it should be reversed so the other team could win? I'm sure everyone is going to say "me", but you are all lying if you do. Whether it was a homerun or a pulled foot at first, or a ball that hit a batter on the jersey, bad calls are part of the game and I've never seen a coach tell an umpire "even though that helped our team, it was wrong, reverse it." As a practical matter, an umpire can't do that any way. They are always being told they are wrong. As an umpire, you do your best, and you stick to your call absent your crew mates saying that they saw it better. Relying on the reaction of players is implausible. How many times have you seen a batter toss their bat just to have a stike called? Their reaction was that it was ball four. Is the umpire to assume that the player got it right?

 

The umps got this one wrong. They got plenty of them wrong this tournament. Others cost teams game too. Maybe if JC had got a hit before 2 out in the seventh, they wouldn't have needed this call. No one play costs the team a game, right?

 

The call sucked. I've watched the video. I feel horrible for the kid. But I've felt horrible for alot of kids that have been called out on strikes in the dirt and didn't try to show an umpire video.

 

I think those that are accusing Ashland of doing anything wrong are just flat full of it. The next coach or player I see talk an umpire into changing a call because they saw it different to their detriment will be the first time I've ever seen it. Time to move on.

 

The part you didn't address was the Ashland coach's comments in the paper. He didn't address the HR but talked about some pitch not called a strike in the previous at bat. He was deflecting. Even your statement of "getting a hit before..." Is deflecting the truth. The girl got the necessary hit and it was argued away. One play does change a softball game and it's naive to debate otherwise.

I guess it's time to bring up Title 9. What's equal for the boys, field wise, should be equal for the girls.

 

BTW, I know a good lawyer who will work "pro-bona". :up:

I guess it's time to bring up Title 9. What's equal for the boys, field wise, should be equal for the girls.

 

BTW, I know a good lawyer who will work "pro-bona". :up:

 

Why doesn't the boys tournament mimic the girls tournament or the other way around. Doesn't make sense that you have a state tournament where it is 2 and out. This may be me just not understanding girl sports the same way.

 

Was it this way when the KHSAA had slow pitch and then it just continued when they went to fast pitch? I think if the KHSAA gives the answer "just because it has always been that way" isn't the right answer.

 

LB interested in your thoughts??

I said something earlier on this thread because I thought those saying that this call caused the championship to be "tarnished" when in fact, neither Ashland nor Johnson Central really had a chance to win the tournament, or really affect who did.

 

Now I feel obligated to disagree with everyone calling for Ashland to criticize or punish their coach. How many of you people have ever told an umpire that the call in favor of your team was wrong and that it should be reversed so the other team could win? I'm sure everyone is going to say "me", but you are all lying if you do. Whether it was a homerun or a pulled foot at first, or a ball that hit a batter on the jersey, bad calls are part of the game and I've never seen a coach tell an umpire "even though that helped our team, it was wrong, reverse it." As a practical matter, an umpire can't do that any way. They are always being told they are wrong. As an umpire, you do your best, and you stick to your call absent your crew mates saying that they saw it better. Relying on the reaction of players is implausible. How many times have you seen a batter toss their bat just to have a stike called? Their reaction was that it was ball four. Is the umpire to assume that the player got it right?

 

The umps got this one wrong. They got plenty of them wrong this tournament. Others cost teams game too. Maybe if JC had got a hit before 2 out in the seventh, they wouldn't have needed this call. No one play costs the team a game, right?

 

The call sucked. I've watched the video. I feel horrible for the kid. But I've felt horrible for alot of kids that have been called out on strikes in the dirt and didn't try to show an umpire video.

 

I think those that are accusing Ashland of doing anything wrong are just flat full of it. The next coach or player I see talk an umpire into changing a call because they saw it different to their detriment will be the first time I've ever seen it. Time to move on.

 

I have but I guess I'm lying? Kid got hit by a pitch but the umpire didn't award it for the wrong reasons. Their coach argued and was getting nowhere. I went out and told the umpire I believed it was a HBP as well. He then put the runner on first to load the bases and force the tying run to third. That kid then came home to win the game.

I have but I guess I'm lying? Kid got hit by a pitch but the umpire didn't award it for the wrong reasons. Their coach argued and was getting nowhere. I went out and told the umpire I believed it was a HBP as well. He then put the runner on first to load the bases and force the tying run to third. That kid then came home to win the game.

 

Excellent job. Taught your players a nice lesson. (Maybe even the other coach)

 

I'm sure there are more examples out there like it.

 

RainMaker would now question whether or not you would do that during the state tournament?

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Defending nkuclubbaseball19 a bit. He didn't say that was him, he said "their" coach.

 

I'm confused by what you're getting at.

I'm confused by what you're getting at.

 

Nothing, just read post wrong. deleted. My bad.

 

Why doesn't the boys tournament mimic the girls tournament or the other way around. Doesn't make sense that you have a state tournament where it is 2 and out. This may be me just not understanding girl sports the same way.

 

Was it this way when the KHSAA had slow pitch and then it just continued when they went to fast pitch? I think if the KHSAA gives the answer "just because it has always been that way" isn't the right answer.

 

LB interested in your thoughts??

 

Double elimination is more of a softball thing. NCAA is double elimination and so are almost all other state's, state tournaments.

 

With softball pitchers more easily being able to play multiple games over a few days. Baseball rules limit pitchers and a double elimination state baseball tourney would need to last two weeks due to pitching.

Double elimination is more of a softball thing. NCAA is double elimination and so are almost all other state's, state tournaments.

 

With softball pitchers more easily being able to play multiple games over a few days. Baseball rules limit pitchers and a double elimination state baseball tourney would need to last two weeks due to pitching.

 

Thanks for the insight.

Why doesn't the boys tournament mimic the girls tournament or the other way around. Doesn't make sense that you have a state tournament where it is 2 and out. This may be me just not understanding girl sports the same way.

 

Was it this way when the KHSAA had slow pitch and then it just continued when they went to fast pitch? I think if the KHSAA gives the answer "just because it has always been that way" isn't the right answer.

 

LB interested in your thoughts??

 

Double elimination is more of a softball thing. NCAA is double elimination and so are almost all other state's, state tournaments.

 

With softball pitchers more easily being able to play multiple games over a few days. Baseball rules limit pitchers and a double elimination state baseball tourney would need to last two weeks due to pitching.

 

Jumper_Dad took the words right out of my mouth.

 

I would be in favor of what some mentioned earlier in this thread, going along the lines of the college format........and playing a "Super Regional", thus you cut the teams in half that make it to the site of the Finals and still have plenty of time to get the tourney completed at a facility with only one field.....UK, U of L, EKU, etc.......

After all this discussion and outrage! Will anything be done? Will the state tournament be on a field that has been rigged to accommodate Fast Pitch Softball again next year and again the year after that? Unless someone comes up with a solution unfortunately that answer is YES!

 

Its hard to believe that in todays world of equality thanks to title XI that the KHSAA sends such a mixed message by compromising their own standards by hosting the Girls Fast Pitch STATE CHAMPIONSHIP on a slow pitch softball field that has been rigged to accommodate a sanctioned High School sport. Its one thing to have the dirt infield extend into where the outfielders normally play, but to put up temporary fencing that is inadequate and could be dangerous not to mention unreliable for the umpires to make correct calls is totally unacceptable!

 

What can be done? Would it help to put together a petition? Or Bombard the KHSAA with emails? What will it take to get the KHSAA attention to get the girls equal playing fields? They're is 4 field fast pitch complex's in the state right?

After all this discussion and outrage! Will anything be done? Will the state tournament be on a field that has been rigged to accommodate Fast Pitch Softball again next year and again the year after that? Unless someone comes up with a solution unfortunately that answer is YES!

 

Its hard to believe that in todays world of equality thanks to title XI that the KHSAA sends such a mixed message by compromising their own standards by hosting the Girls Fast Pitch STATE CHAMPIONSHIP on a slow pitch softball field that has been rigged to accommodate a sanctioned High School sport. Its one thing to have the dirt infield extend into where the outfielders normally play, but to put up temporary fencing that is inadequate and could be dangerous not to mention unreliable for the umpires to make correct calls is totally unacceptable!

 

What can be done? Would it help to put together a petition? Or Bombard the KHSAA with emails? What will it take to get the KHSAA attention to get the girls equal playing fields? They're is 4 field fast pitch complex's in the state right?

 

I'm in the process of writing a letter to Mr. Tackett to see if we can't get things changed.

Any softball moms or dads a lawyer?

I'm in the process of writing a letter to Mr. Tackett to see if we can't get things changed.

 

Good luck with that. I'm sure you will keep us updated :popcorn: