Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree in the strongest possible terms on this one. No Freakin' Way.

 

I'd have to agree with Jim here. As much as we preach religious tolerance, in practice, we don't do such a good job of actually practicing tolerance. Just take a look around Christmas time when every other person complains about the term "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"

Please stop with the "it's just harmless little Christianity" line.

 

You're being wholly disingenuous if you believe non-participants will get the same considerations as the coach's true-believers. Same way the kid whose parents don't donate to the booster club gets a fair shake in comparison to the kid whose daddy is club prez.?

 

So are you saying that the coach might play the 4th team walk on qb over the all American simply because the walk on came to prayer and that all American didn't.

 

I seriously doubt it is looked at that way. But people spin it anyway they want to make a good Christian act look like the devil.

Please stop with the "it's just harmless little Christianity" line.

 

You're being wholly disingenuous if you believe non-participants will get the same considerations as the coach's true-believers. Same way the kid whose parents don't donate to the booster club gets a fair shake in comparison to the kid whose daddy is club prez.

 

To break it down further, I don't get why Protestants -- with their 10 gazillion different sects, each with their own my-way-or-the-highway factionalism over teensy nuances -- are OK with some pope-like authoritarian telling their kids which version of The Lord's Prayer is correct?

 

 

 

Who knows what stripe this guy claims? What if his version is OK with dancing but no drinking? Or if his is infant baptism v. adult immersion?

 

"Harmless little Christianity line" I'm not following your thought there...where did I minimize Christianity? Are you referring to me asking why people are offended by something they admit they don't think exist? What may even be worse is those that are offended and admit that God exist, but still don't have the courage of their convictions to stand up for God.

 

I don't think there is a Division 1 coach any where playing a sub-par player over a better one simply because he comes to prayer group. This is after all a thread about Clemson, not a local little league.

 

Why attack Protestants only, there are different factions of every religion. Regardless of the nuanced differences all Christians come back to the fact that Jesus Christ lived, Died for our Sins and then Rose again.

"Harmless little Christianity line" I'm not following your thought there...where did I minimize Christianity? Are you referring to me asking why people are offended by something they admit they don't think exist? What may even be worse is those that are offended and admit that God exist, but still don't have the courage of their convictions to stand up for God.

 

I don't think there is a Division 1 coach any where playing a sub-par player over a better one simply because he comes to prayer group. This is after all a thread about Clemson, not a local little league.

 

Why attack Protestants only, there are different factions of every religion. Regardless of the nuanced differences all Christians come back to the fact that Jesus Christ lived, Died for our Sins and then Rose again.

 

Why, because it's easy to attack Christians, after all we force religion on others and won't play kids if they don't pray. Plus we blow up planes, have suicide bombers, wait that's another group.

Why, because it's easy to attack Christians, after all we force religion on others and won't play kids if they don't pray. Plus we blow up planes, have suicide bombers, wait that's another group.

No Christian terrorists? I'm sure abortion doctors in bulletproof vests agree.

Also, to an atheist, there's not all that much daylight between a very devout Muslim and a very devout Baptist.

Also, to an atheist, there's not all that much daylight between a very devout Muslim and a very devout Baptist.

 

I know you meant that as a shot at Baptist.

 

But...Devout Baptist and devout Muslims are very similar, they pray to God, believe in peace and love, abhor violence and think they are going to spend eternity in heaven. Same can be said for Jews, Catholics and other Protestants.

 

But I'm betting your wanting to lump radical lunatic Muslims in with radical lunatic Baptist.

Why, because it's easy to attack Christians, after all we force religion on others and won't play kids if they don't pray. Plus we blow up planes, have suicide bombers, wait that's another group.

 

I know a lot of people don't want to hear it, but there are plenty of groups that can be characterized as Christians and terrorist in nature. The KKK, Army of God, Phineas Priesthood, etc, are all Christian based groups.

I know you meant that as a shot at Baptist.

 

But...Devout Baptist and devout Muslims are very similar, they pray to God, believe in peace and love, abhor violence and think they are going to spend eternity in heaven. Same can be said for Jews, Catholics and other Protestants.

 

But I'm betting your wanting to lump radical lunatic Muslims in with radical lunatic Baptist.

 

Nope, that's exactly how I meant it. But it does work both ways.

I always think it is funny how some people are so offended by or afraid of, something/someone they don't even think exist. Are they also offended by or afraid of Unicorns?

Do they think they are the only enlightened ones that can make that decision for themselves, that anyone else that is brought to religion is too weak to make a decision for themselves and will be swept away in Christianity? That they "The enlightened" must decide for everyone else.

 

There is absolutely no harm to allow these meetings...and I will say that even though I am a Christian I would agree the meeting should be stopped if they were mandatory. But voluntary exercise of religion is what this country was founded on and for.

 

Absolutely. Fear the unicorn people!

 

So are you saying that the coach might play the 4th team walk on qb over the all American simply because the walk on came to prayer and that all American didn't.

 

I seriously doubt it is looked at that way. But people spin it anyway they want to make a good Christian act look like the devil.

 

That's a terrible example that you're using. Where stuff like this tends to occur is where two players are equal or there is a slight difference in their talent. Coach can conveniently use the lack of participation in his "voluntary" prayers as a way to weed out one over the other. Plus, he can couch that decision in some lame excuse that the kid "wasn't a good teammate" or some other such bunk.

 

Please stop acting like people don't use their religiosity for prejudicial reasons. Kentucky's blue laws are a perfect example of what happens when the Protestants use their tyranny of the majority.

I always think it is funny how some people are so offended by or afraid of, something/someone they don't even think exist. Are they also offended by or afraid of Unicorns?

 

Do they think they are the only enlightened ones that can make that decision for themselves, that anyone else that is brought to religion is too weak to make a decision for themselves and will be swept away in Christianity? That they "The enlightened" must decide for everyone else.

 

There is absolutely no harm to allow these meetings...and I will say that even though I am a Christian I would agree the meeting should be stopped if they were mandatory. But voluntary exercise of religion is what this country was founded on and for.

 

Please stop with the "it's just harmless little Christianity" line.

 

You're being wholly disingenuous if you believe non-participants will get the same considerations as the coach's true-believers. Same way the kid whose parents don't donate to the booster club gets a fair shake in comparison to the kid whose daddy is club prez.

 

To break it down further, I don't get why Protestants -- with their 10 gazillion different sects, each with their own my-way-or-the-highway factionalism over teensy nuances -- are OK with some pope-like authoritarian telling their kids which version of The Lord's Prayer is correct?

 

 

 

Who knows what stripe this guy claims? What if his version is OK with dancing but no drinking? Or if his is infant baptism v. adult immersion?

 

"Harmless little Christianity line" I'm not following your thought there...where did I minimize Christianity? Are you referring to me asking why people are offended by something they admit they don't think exist? What may even be worse is those that are offended and admit that God exist, but still don't have the courage of their convictions to stand up for God.

 

You used the unicorns line earlier as though you couldn't imagine how Christianity could be used as a blunt instrument, like nobody ever uses their religion to discriminate against others. Even though Kentucky's blue laws are a great example of such a thing codified.

 

I don't think there is a Division 1 coach any where playing a sub-par player over a better one simply because he comes to prayer group. This is after all a thread about Clemson, not a local little league.

 

See my reply to Mt. Ref's post on this subject.

 

Why attack Protestants only, there are different factions of every religion. Regardless of the nuanced differences all Christians come back to the fact that Jesus Christ lived, Died for our Sins and then Rose again.

 

I don't live in a country where some other religion imposes itself on me. I live in Kentucky, where Protestant religious bloc voting has held our state woefully behind. I'm not so concerned about what goes on in Iran as much as in my back yard.

So why is it ok for him to break the law? Voluntary or mandatory, you can't do it in an organized fashion the way described. It doesn't matter whether you, me or the President thinks it is ok, it is not legal. Now if students or players want to have a Bible Study in the dorm room, local Starbucks, whatever, go for it.

 

This guy is a head coach at a major public university and is pushing his personal religious beliefs to his athletes. Now I have no problems with his beliefs, but breaking the law, not so much.

You used the unicorns line earlier as though you couldn't imagine how Christianity could be used as a blunt instrument, like nobody ever uses their religion to discriminate against others. Even though Kentucky's blue laws are a great example of such a thing codified.

 

I don't live in a country where some other religion imposes itself on me. I live in Kentucky, where Protestant religious bloc voting has held our state woefully behind. I'm not so concerned about what goes on in Iran as much as in my back yard.

 

You act as if Blue Laws are only in place in dumb ol' backwards Kentucky,yet some of the most restrictive ones were in the progressive northeast. Other than Sunday alcohol sales being up to local option what other backwards Blue Laws are there in KY?

 

Not sure what your talking about with Iran. You talk about being personally imposed upon by protestants, have you been forced to attend a protestant church or follow the teachings of a protestant church here in Kentucky.

 

I know for a fact that all Protestants don't vote as a bloc.

I'm guessing that if Dabo Sweeney were a member of the Church of Satan and had group meetings for the team people would be going nuts, and I doubt many now using the whole "freedom of religion" arguments would be doing so to defend him.