P.C. hard at work at Clemson . Seems that the group that calls themselves "Freedom From Religion" have a problem with the Clemson University football program. Head Coach Dabo Swinney is a Christian, is proud of that and Swinney along with the team chaplin conduct prayer sessions, Bible study, workshops with the Tigers football team. Just about all coaches probably will and/or have a designated player, other person say a prayer before running on the field for a game.

Apparently this group has a problem, filed complaints with the prayer study, Bible classes and other Christian activities that Coach Swinney has for them. From what the school has said, these activities are Not Mandatory and there is no punishment, penalty on any player that doesn't want to attend Church, classes, etc..

I am a Christian, proud of it but and I realize this is the "political correct" (trash imo) world we live in today, which imo is prejudice Against Christians but that's another forum.

My problem with this (FFR) group complaining is that these classes, Church attendance, study groups are not mandatory.

I was just wondering what others thought.

 

LINK.....

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/17/clemson-university-football-coach-dabo-swinney-under-fire-christian-prayer-team-chaplain

I will say that i have always liked D. Sweeny but after hearing this I Really Like the Man.

Although not necessarily a favorite before this I will noW root for Clemson in any game unless it would be vs. U.K. and/or Ohio State (my favorites). So....Go Dabo, Go Tigers! :thumb:

If it isn't mandatory then what is the problem. Like fca, not everyone has to go.

^ :thumb: Exactly Ref.

Here is a link to a Fox News anchor's interview with a lawyer from the anti Christian group / freedom from religion. Note that she points out that it was voluntary, no complaints were filed by anyone with the football program, no players, coaches, manager, trainers, etc., etc. .

This woman destroys any and all argument this attorney had, was imo hilarioius. The lawyer was basically with nothing - speechless.

 

The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson | Fox News

Edited April 19, 201412 yr by oldrambler

My thought on the matter is my son and I would be praying right there with them. And if my son had the talent to play Div I football I would want him to play for a coach like Dabo Swinney. I think the small group classes are great for two reasons: the young men will grow in their faith and it will more strongly unify the team.

 

Thumbs up to the Clemson Tigers football program!!! :thumb:

 

On that note: everyone have a blessed Easter!

Just to play devil's advocate.......what if Dabo was a Muslim (or buddhist, Jewish, Hindu or whatever)? And I know these meetings were not mandatory, but, if you're a non Christian, is it possible that this could make you feel uncomfortable and left out?? I'm not saying what Dabo is doing is bad, but Clemson is a state run University. As an overwhelmingly Christian nation, it's easy to forget that there are many non-christians (about 25% claim to be either a non Christian religion or have no religous affiliation at all).

 

Again, I don't disagree with what Dabo is doing....and I'm sure the kids he recruits have a pretty good idea of the type of guy he is and what he is all about, and that these sorts of meetings are made available. And that's probably a pretty big selling point to quite a few.

My thought on the matter is my son and I would be praying right there with them. And if my son had the talent to play Div I football I would want him to play for a coach like Dabo Swinney. I think the small group classes are great for two reasons: the young men will grow in their faith and it will more strongly unify the team.

 

Thumbs up to the Clemson Tigers football program!!! :thumb:

 

On that note: everyone have a blessed Easter!

:thumb::thumb: My thoughts exactly, couldn't had said any better. Thank you and you and your family have a wonderful holiday as well.

 

Just to play devil's advocate.......what if Dabo was a Muslim (or buddhist, Jewish, Hindu or whatever)? And I know these meetings were not mandatory, but, if you're a non Christian, is it possible that this could make you feel uncomfortable and left out?? I'm not saying what Dabo is doing is bad, but Clemson is a state run University. As an overwhelmingly Christian nation, it's easy to forget that there are many non-christians (about 25% claim to be either a non Christian religion or have no religous affiliation at all).

 

Again, I don't disagree with what Dabo is doing....and I'm sure the kids he recruits have a pretty good idea of the type of guy he is and what he is all about, and that these sorts of meetings are made available. And that's probably a pretty big selling point to quite a few.

 

As you said, it was my understanding that recruits know about this up front along with it being non mandatory. Should it be forced on a player that didn't want to take part then that may make things different. The player in the interview said that a few of his good friends on the team, some were starters I believe he said, did not attend and there was no prejudice, playing time, etc. held against them bc they didn't go. So, imo as long as it is not mandatory then there is no reason for complaint. Should the potential player / recruit have trouble with then simply go to another school.

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What all of this really sounds like to me is some student that may be one of those that believe that they are more important, their views more important decided that he or she wanted to try and make some kind of power statement or something plus get their name around campus. Not One football player had a complaint regardless of whether they attended these functions or not.

Any....Dabo is now my favorite college football coach.

:thumb::thumb: My thoughts exactly, couldn't had said any better. Thank you and you and your family have a wonderful holiday as well.

 

 

 

As you said, it was my understanding that recruits know about this up front along with it being non mandatory. Should it be forced on a player that didn't want to take part then that may make things different. The player in the interview said that a few of his good friends on the team, some were starters I believe he said, did not attend and there was no prejudice, playing time, etc. held against them bc they didn't go. So, imo as long as it is not mandatory then there is no reason for complaint. Should the potential player / recruit have trouble with then simply go to another school.

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What all of this really sounds like to me is some student that may be one of those that believe that they are more important, their views more important decided that he or she wanted to try and make some kind of power statement or something plus get their name around campus. Not One football player had a complaint regardless of whether they attended these functions or not.

Any....Dabo is now my favorite college football coach.

 

The only problem with this, is that Clemson is a State run university, not a private institution. For example, I'm sure this is common, and maybe a requirement at a school like BYU...but BYU is private. The Clemson situation is not different than what is allowed to go on at a public school. And while it may not bother you or I (or any of the Christian majority), it may be an issue for those who aren't. Again, just suppose Dabo was Muslim and did the same thing....would you have a problem with what he does then?? Would he still be your favorite football coach??

I always think it is funny how some people are so offended by or afraid of, something/someone they don't even think exist. Are they also offended by or afraid of Unicorns?

 

Do they think they are the only enlightened ones that can make that decision for themselves, that anyone else that is brought to religion is too weak to make a decision for themselves and will be swept away in Christianity? That they "The enlightened" must decide for everyone else.

 

There is absolutely no harm to allow these meetings...and I will say that even though I am a Christian I would agree the meeting should be stopped if they were mandatory. But voluntary exercise of religion is what this country was founded on and for.

The only problem with this, is that Clemson is a State run university, not a private institution. For example, I'm sure this is common, and maybe a requirement at a school like BYU...but BYU is private. The Clemson situation is not different than what is allowed to go on at a public school. And while it may not bother you or I (or any of the Christian majority), it may be an issue for those who aren't. Again, just suppose Dabo was Muslim and did the same thing....would you have a problem with what he does then?? Would he still be your favorite football coach??

If the meetings were mandatory or if players were being retaliated at for not attending I would be against him doing it. If he was leading a Muslim study group that had voluntary attendance I wouldn't care.

If the meetings were mandatory or if players were being retaliated at for not attending I would be against him doing it. If he was leading a Muslim study group that had voluntary attendance I wouldn't care.

 

And I agree. However, I don't think as many people do feel the same way (not necessarily on this board), which is where the problem comes in. Because there are folks who aren't so open minded, things like what Dabo is doing, become issues. Which is sad

I disagree I think a very large majority of Christians would have no issue with a non-christian coach holding voluntary prayer of his religion.

I disagree I think a very large majority of Christians would have no issue with a non-christian coach holding voluntary prayer of his religion.

 

Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree in the strongest possible terms on this one. No Freakin' Way.

I always think it is funny how some people are so offended by or afraid of, something/someone they don't even think exist. Are they also offended by or afraid of Unicorns?

 

Do they think they are the only enlightened ones that can make that decision for themselves, that anyone else that is brought to religion is too weak to make a decision for themselves and will be swept away in Christianity? That they "The enlightened" must decide for everyone else.

 

There is absolutely no harm to allow these meetings...and I will say that even though I am a Christian I would agree the meeting should be stopped if they were mandatory. But voluntary exercise of religion is what this country was founded on and for.

 

Please stop with the "it's just harmless little Christianity" line.

 

You're being wholly disingenuous if you believe non-participants will get the same considerations as the coach's true-believers. Same way the kid whose parents don't donate to the booster club gets a fair shake in comparison to the kid whose daddy is club prez.

 

To break it down further, I don't get why Protestants -- with their 10 gazillion different sects, each with their own my-way-or-the-highway factionalism over teensy nuances -- are OK with some pope-like authoritarian telling their kids which version of The Lord's Prayer is correct?

 

 

 

Who knows what stripe this guy claims? What if his version is OK with dancing but no drinking? Or if his is infant baptism v. adult immersion?

Please stop with the "it's just harmless little Christianity" line.

 

You're being wholly disingenuous if you believe non-participants will get the same considerations as the coach's true-believers. Same way the kid whose parents don't donate to the booster club gets a fair shake in comparison to the kid whose daddy is club prez.

 

To break it down further, I don't get why Protestants -- with their 10 gazillion different sects, each with their own my-way-or-the-highway factionalism over teensy nuances -- are OK with some pope-like authoritarian telling their kids which version of The Lord's Prayer is correct?

 

 

 

Who knows what stripe this guy claims? What if his version is OK with dancing but no drinking? Or if his is infant baptism v. adult immersion?

 

 

Dancing - the vertical expression of a horizontal desire.

 

 

Sorry - back to the issue at hand.