1) Nobody was shopping a reality show when he came to school and the show isn't about him, it's about his mom, ostensibly.

 

2)"Big time sports program"? I guess I get how Trinity might look to an outsider... but it's a school, man. Trinity could get rid of football and basketball tomorrow and it would still be one thing for sure: a great school.

 

3) They are looking out for "their own" and "their own" are the students of Trinity High School.

 

I absolutely do not trust reality TV producers and, to be honest, I'm a little shocked by some of the responses in this thread.

Reading through this entire thread I don't understand your stance when it comes to Trinity.

First off Trinity is just like you said a school. The show isn't about Trinity nor will they "trash" trinity.

It's about the passion moms have when it comes to their sons playing basketball. It's not about the school. If anything it would actually bring more attention to Trinity in a possitive light as a pretty good advertisement for the school.

 

Trinity is no different than any other school when it comes to what they want their public perception to be. In one of your first posts in this thread about the news and how they portray Trinity when some student gets in trouble and they say "A Trinity student arrested for...." Guess what? They do the same thing to every school.

 

I just don't understand the thought that Trinity is above every other school or that they must be out to make Trinity look bad etc. Makes no sense.

@Bert, quick responses:

 

I'll address the paragraphs in points.

 

2. It's not throwing him under the bus. Saying "you're good enough to be a part of our team as long as the curtain isn't pulled back" kind of is though. Have you seen some of the posts about how Trinity doesn't HAVE to have him back?

 

4. Risk-reward analysis. Probably what administration in a big time program goes through when evaluating. "We'd love to have you play "ball" for us and help us win, but wouldn't want your Mom representing us on camera" seems to be a fair portrayal of what's going on when we drill down, no?

 

6 & 7. Ever watch "A Way of Life: Basketball in Kentucky"? It's a KET documentary about a Ballard kid where he's followed by cameras all year. They do the same at Clay County High School. The program lets them film practices, games, the tide of emotions through the year, pre game speeches at State, etc. That's where I got that. You think that was popular when it happened? Did it stop Ballard from winning the State that year? I'll stand by saying that if he were at Ballard, it might have been handled differently.

 

 

We'd love to have you play for us, but we don't want the rest of that stuff hurting our good image now you see... really, it's because we love and care about you, not because we have a reputation to maintain. Sorry things weren't better for you before all this happened. Maybe in hindsight, things could have worked out differently.

 

That's where I'm coming from.

4. Risk-reward analysis. Probably what administration in a big time program goes through when evaluating. "We'd love to have you play "ball" for us and help us win, but wouldn't want your Mom representing us on camera" seems to be a fair portrayal of what's going on when we drill down, no?

 

No, because nobody that has been opposed to the idea has said anything about the kid. You seem to be trying to paint a picture that the Trinity supporters are against the kid, and not the show. Whoever the kid may be is irrelevant. Reality TV shows thrive on making situations seem "extreme" even when they may not be. I agree with the idea that the show might not be the best of ideas, regardless of the student, and regardless of the school.

Reading through this entire thread I don't understand your stance when it comes to Trinity.

First off Trinity is just like you said a school. The show isn't about Trinity nor will they "trash" trinity.

It's about the passion moms have when it comes to their sons playing basketball. It's not about the school. If anything it would actually bring more attention to Trinity in a possitive light as a pretty good advertisement for the school.

 

Trinity is no different than any other school when it comes to what they want their public perception to be. In one of your first posts in this thread about the news and how they portray Trinity when some student gets in trouble and they say "A Trinity student arrested for...." Guess what? They do the same thing to every school.

 

I just don't understand the thought that Trinity is above every other school or that they must be out to make Trinity look bad etc. Makes no sense.

 

 

Dude, don't you come to the meetings? Outside of the Trinity community, it's known that we meet and conspire about ways to make them look horrible. We've got other families in on this show that's gonna make them look horrible. It's a setup and their fans are the only ones brave enough to realize it. Hold on, I've got a call coming in from some producers.

 

 

 

Here's a New York Times Article slandering the Shamrocks. Look at the kind of things they have the audacity to print:

 

"Clay, who is single and a nurse, has tried to navigate the difficulties of supporting Craig’s dreams. It has been a trying time for her family. Her younger son was recently found to have spinal stenosis after a football injury.

 

The family sees basketball, and the college degree it could bring Craig, as a possible lifeline, even if Clay knows that her son is probably too small to play power forward at a competitive program. “He’s good,” she said, “but he’s behind on where he should be.”

 

 

Get the lawyers on the phone! Good god, the things they will say and do in the New York Times to make Trinity look bad.

 

Jesus, you'd think everyone is jealous-- or just tired of the crap. If you've been called an elitist by an ardent Trinity supporter, well...

Excerpts from the NY Times article discussing Ms. Greene:

 

His mother makes no apologies for her behavior. When Green, who works at a middle school, cheers from the stands, she said, “I turn into a complete different person.”

 

“I am an animal,” she continued. “I heckle everybody — the parents, the players, the referees.”

 

She takes a Fathead-like image of her son’s face to games. Never mind the cheerleaders, she leads students in shouting singsong chants: “I’m blind! I’m deaf! I want to be a ref!”

Green’s enthusiasm is not always welcomed. Two years ago at an Amateur Athletic Union tournament in Las Vegas, she was escorted out by security after arguing with a mother from the opposing team. Green said the woman threatened to kill her.

 

“I’m the most flamboyant and rambunctious parent ever,” Green said.

 

Ummm...yeah, this can only go one way...badly.

6 & 7. Ever watch "A Way of Life: Basketball in Kentucky"? It's a KET documentary about a Ballard kid where he's followed by cameras all year. They do the same at Clay County High School. The program lets them film practices, games, the tide of emotions through the year, pre game speeches at State, etc. That's where I got that. You think that was popular when it happened? Did it stop Ballard from winning the State that year? I'll stand by saying that if he were at Ballard, it might have been handled differently.

 

 

We'd love to have you play for us, but we don't want the rest of that stuff hurting our good image now you see... really, it's because we love and care about you, not because we have a reputation to maintain. Sorry things weren't better for you before all this happened. Maybe in hindsight, things could have worked out differently.

 

That's where I'm coming from.

 

I have heard about the show but I have not seen it. The fact that it is KET would give me a much more comfortable feeling if I were the Pres of Trinity than this company I have never heard of. KET has a long history of integrity in their broadcasts unlike some of the reality show trash and they have also invited Trinity's president to speak at the show in regards to the public/private debates so already, there is a certain comfort and rapport with KET where as this company is more unknown and I would be very cautious.

 

And let's not forget, this kid is not the first at Trinity where someone wanted to feature them. By in large, Trinity would accommodate such requests so it is not like the accusations that Trinity is trying to "hold back" stand out players to the media is true. Brian Brohm was photographed at Trinity for his cover of Sports Illustrated. The difference in this case is that it is a request from out in left field and Deuce was exactly correct, some of these reality shows are really good at editing material to make sure only the most extreme makes it.

Excerpts from the NY Times article discussing Ms. Greene:

 

His mother makes no apologies for her behavior. When Green, who works at a middle school, cheers from the stands, she said, “I turn into a complete different person.”

 

“I am an animal,” she continued. “I heckle everybody — the parents, the players, the referees.”

 

She takes a Fathead-like image of her son’s face to games. Never mind the cheerleaders, she leads students in shouting singsong chants: “I’m blind! I’m deaf! I want to be a ref!”

Green’s enthusiasm is not always welcomed. Two years ago at an Amateur Athletic Union tournament in Las Vegas, she was escorted out by security after arguing with a mother from the opposing team. Green said the woman threatened to kill her.

 

“I’m the most flamboyant and rambunctious parent ever,” Green said.

 

Ummm...yeah, this can only go one way...badly.

I would tend to agree with you for the most part, but with that said I think it would only go badly for the mom and/or kid. I don't think it would have anything to do with the school looking bad at all.

Does Real Houswives of Atlanta make the NBA teams look bad? Does Real Housewives of Beverly Hills make California look any worse than it already does? Does Real Mob Wives make the Garden State look really bad? The answer to all the above is the only thing that looks bad in all those shows are the featured people in them, not who or what they are affiliated with. Same with this show, it won't make the schools look bad because of a couple things and the main thing is being able to film at the schools games. If they were banned from all the games then whata good would the show be for the producers?

Reading through this entire thread I don't understand your stance when it comes to Trinity.

First off Trinity is just like you said a school. The show isn't about Trinity nor will they "trash" trinity.

It's about the passion moms have when it comes to their sons playing basketball. It's not about the school. If anything it would actually bring more attention to Trinity in a possitive light as a pretty good advertisement for the school.

 

Trinity is no different than any other school when it comes to what they want their public perception to be. In one of your first posts in this thread about the news and how they portray Trinity when some student gets in trouble and they say "A Trinity student arrested for...." Guess what? They do the same thing to every school.

 

I just don't understand the thought that Trinity is above every other school or that they must be out to make Trinity look bad etc. Makes no sense.

 

I didn't get any of that from anything that Getslow was saying. What I got from Getslow was that he hopes this trainwreck of an idea doesn't happen at his alma mater and how it would make the school look. I'd feel the exact same way if this was going on at BG.

I would tend to agree with you for the most part, but with that said I think it would only go badly for the mom and/or kid. I don't think it would have anything to do with the school looking bad at all.

Does Real Houswives of Atlanta make the NBA teams look bad? Does Real Housewives of Beverly Hills make California look any worse than it already does? Does Real Mob Wives make the Garden State look really bad? The answer to all the above is the only thing that looks bad in all those shows are the featured people in them, not who or what they are affiliated with. Same with this show, it won't make the schools look bad because of a couple things and the main thing is being able to film at the schools games. If they were banned from all the games then whata good would the show be for the producers?

 

 

See.....you're already messed up....:lol:

 

Real Housewives of Atlanta has nothing to do with the NBA. :lol: Those are just a bunch of divas. And yes, they make Atlanta look bad, the Housewives of Orange County make Orange County look bad and the Housewives of New Jersey make New Jersey look bad also. The Mob Wives are in New York actually so they can't make New Jersey look bad. They can't make New York look bad because I figured New York was like that anyways.

I have heard about the show but I have not seen it. The fact that it is KET would give me a much more comfortable feeling if I were the Pres of Trinity than this company I have never heard of. KET has a long history of integrity in their broadcasts unlike some of the reality show trash and they have also invited Trinity's president to speak at the show in regards to the public/private debates so already, there is a certain comfort and rapport with KET where as this company is more unknown and I would be very cautious.

 

And let's not forget, this kid is not the first at Trinity where someone wanted to feature them. By in large, Trinity would accommodate such requests so it is not like the accusations that Trinity is trying to "hold back" stand out players to the media is true. Brian Brohm was photographed at Trinity for his cover of Sports Illustrated. The difference in this case is that it is a request from out in left field and Deuce was exactly correct, some of these reality shows are really good at editing material to make sure only the most extreme makes it.

 

So you are complaining about me saying Ballard would allow him to do his thing (because, you know, they have a history of doing it), but you admit you haven't even seen the documentary you are criticizing me for? Got it.

 

It's different though, because so far all we've seen of this one is a New York Times article talking about a single parent wanting her kid to go to college. I guess KET is more credible than the New York Times in some people's view though.

 

 

And yes, I'm sure Trinity gets plenty of requests. I don't think it's the issue with them "holding back" all of their kids. I think it's more of an issue of the kind of kid that they are deciding to "hold back". By all means, enlighten me on the kind of kids Trinity has "featured" since they do so "by and large".

 

 

Here's what would give me a comfortable feeling if I were the President of Trinity and I worried about the kind of image my athletes were portraying, maybe I'd think about that before I "admitted" them in the first place, get what I'm saying? That's been my point the whole time.

And yes, I'm sure Trinity gets plenty of requests. I don't think it's the issue with them "holding back" all of their kids. I think it's more of an issue of the kind of kid that they are deciding to "hold back". By all means, enlighten me on the kind of kids Trinity has "featured" since they do so "by and large".

 

 

Here's what would give me a comfortable feeling if I were the President of Trinity and I worried about the kind of image my athletes were portraying, maybe I'd think about that before I "admitted" them in the first place, get what I'm saying? That's been my point the whole time.

 

What "kind" of kid is this exactly?

I would tend to agree with you for the most part, but with that said I think it would only go badly for the mom and/or kid. I don't think it would have anything to do with the school looking bad at all.

Does Real Houswives of Atlanta make the NBA teams look bad? Does Real Housewives of Beverly Hills make California look any worse than it already does? Does Real Mob Wives make the Garden State look really bad? The answer to all the above is the only thing that looks bad in all those shows are the featured people in them, not who or what they are affiliated with. Same with this show, it won't make the schools look bad because of a couple things and the main thing is being able to film at the schools games. If they were banned from all the games then whata good would the show be for the producers?

 

Well...it certainty couldn't help I wouldn't think. And if the mom(s) are on there wearing all the school garb and they show the kids with all their school garb on...showing the school gym floor, maybe the name of the school as they cut back and forth between scenes...yeah, I can see the schools ending up worse for the wear. But agree the biggest potential "loser" in this equation is the kids and the potential for this to be very embarrassing for them if this show follows the blueprint with most other "reality" shows of this ilk.

Joker, I gotta tell you...you completely lose me in some of the posts you come up with. Maybe I'm alone in this fact...but I bet not.:idunno:

No, because nobody that has been opposed to the idea has said anything about the kid. You seem to be trying to paint a picture that the Trinity supporters are against the kid, and not the show. Whoever the kid may be is irrelevant. Reality TV shows thrive on making situations seem "extreme" even when they may not be. I agree with the idea that the show might not be the best of ideas, regardless of the student, and regardless of the school.

 

One parent gripping as a nurse. One parent incarcerated. Kid not fitting the conception of a snotty East End "Trinity kid". Sibling with spinal stenosis. Kid loves basketball and wants to play college but is undersized. Seems like all the drama you need without having to stir up anything. Maybe people want to watch a feel good story and see him succeed. Do you really think that isn't a good enough story on it's own?

What "kind" of kid is this exactly?

 

Incarcerated parent. Single mother. Might not have come up in the CYO. Not Brian Brohm.