December 6, 201312 yr Author ...... No Charlemagne? Stunning. I was thinking the same thing last night. Charlemagne's kingdom pretty much started Middle Age Feudalism if my memory serves correct.
December 6, 201312 yr Hammurabi maybe? Not arguing for his inclusion, but his name did cross my mind as being significant. Sun Tzu?
December 6, 201312 yr I was thinking the same thing last night. Charlemagne's kingdom pretty much started Middle Age Feudalism if my memory serves correct. More or less. Feudalism was partially the natural result of the gradually-decreasing ability of Rome's military to defend it's borders. It was in the third century that they first began garrisoning towns that were themselves fortified and letting barbarians do whatever they wanted to the surrounding countryside in order to ease the strain on the military. As the Roman army retreated more and more away from the empire's outer edges, they left behind these fortified cities that were taken over by independent rulers. Those rulers then made agreements between themselves as they saw fit and conflict between them for more and more land occurred all the time. But it was under the Carolingians and Charlemagne that those independent and often informal relationships were codified into a system of law that obliged allegiances between lords and vassals. As you said, the truly united feudal state took shape in the 9th and 10th centuries. In case you haven't noticed, Roman history is kind of my thing... :lol2:
December 6, 201312 yr Hammurabi maybe? Not arguing for his inclusion, but his name did cross my mind as being significant. I thought about Justinian for the same reason.
December 6, 201312 yr Henry Ford crossed my mind. I just wondered if there was someone in England who had lead there industrial revolution also? I believe England's Ind Rev occurred a bit earlier than ours. I thought in most 1st World, industrialized nations, slavery had already been abolished and the US was somewhat seen as a backwards country for still allowing it? If so, Lincoln's significance would be great but still somewhat US limited. I was thinking along the same lines, but not necessarily Henry Ford, but more of an inventor that gave us so much, Thomas Edison or at least the greatest inventor in the history of mankind, Leonardo Da Vinci or the likes of Benjamin Franklin, or Jerome Hal Lemelson or even the Archimedes of Syracuse, all who I would put in front of Christopher Columbus at least. The list is very heavily loaded with political figures. I think there are just as deserving people throughout history that were not politicians or military leaders.
December 6, 201312 yr Author In case you haven't noticed, Roman history is kind of my thing... :lol2: Same here. I enjoy European history from the Roman Empire to around the time of Napolean.
December 6, 201312 yr I was thinking the same thing last night. Charlemagne's kingdom pretty much started Middle Age Feudalism if my memory serves correct. Not to mention he ruled his empire for nearly 40 years at a time when that was unheard of. He viewed directing battles and strategies in a way unheard of at the time. Has to be included.
December 6, 201312 yr I'd go with Tesla over Edison. They were a good band, but not quite good enough to make the list.
December 6, 201312 yr I was thinking along the same lines, but not necessarily Henry Ford, but more of an inventor that gave us so much, Thomas Edison or at least the greatest inventor in the history of mankind, Leonardo Da Vinci or the likes of Benjamin Franklin, or Jerome Hal Lemelson or even the Archimedes of Syracuse, all who I would put in front of Christopher Columbus at least. The list is very heavily loaded with political figures. I think there are just as deserving people throughout history that were not politicians or military leaders. Nikola Tesla was already mentioned.
December 6, 201312 yr They were a good band, but not quite good enough to make the list. Love me some Tesla [video=youtube_share;gklM1AiZX0s]http://youtu.be/gklM1AiZX0s
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