Nobody is winning.

 

It's just that the general perception seems to be that the GOP is hurting worse than the Dems.

 

Which seems to be a surprise to no one except the GOP leadership.

The dissatisfaction likely will play out more in GOP primaries vs. general elections. Be interesting to see some early polling and the toll this GOP obstructionism has taken in swing U.S. House districts.

 

I agree on it playing out in the primaries as opposed to the general, but as Papa said, this is October 2013. I'm not sure how big of an issue this will be in two or three months.

 

We'll just have to wait and see.

This comment goes back to a thread I started a couple months ago - will this be the downfall of the Tea Party movement? If the non-Tea Party Republicans are smart, they will lay this whole mess at the feet of the Tea Party faction, and perhaps rightfully so. How many incumbent Republicans are facing challenges from Tea Party candidates?

Money, money, money. Which faction will the mega-buck PACs, Koch brothers support after the dust settles? (And after the Supreme Court rules 5-4 in favor of unlimited contributions.) It will be most interesting to see how the Tea Party emerges from this scrap. I'm not sure, though, whether the big-business Repubs want an all-out civil war vs. Cruz, Paul, et al. I expect there will be negotiations to present a unified front.

What are similar polls for Democratic Party or just the Senate?

 

Of course the media fails to report that the Senate has not voted on a single appropriations bill since 2009. And has broken the law by failing to pass or even vote on a budget since 2009 as well.

 

Any complaints about government shut down should land right at Harry Reid's doorstep for failing to even call a vote on appropriations bills. Continuing Resolutions (CRs) are not how to run a country.

The sad part is people hate what our government's leaders are doing and yet they will re-elect them. No accountability equals no accomplishments.

 

America is pretty dumb. At least that's how I see us. For example:

 

* Republicans strongly opposed Obamacare & wanted it repealed, yet they nominate a Presidential candidate who had essentially the same legislation during his time as Governor of Massachusetts. Hypocrisy much?

 

* Some voters of Obama cast their ballots for him, knowing full well that Health Care was a centerpiece of his campaign/agenda/platform. 53% voted for Obama in 2008 & 51% in 2012. 38% of people currently approve of Obamacare (per Real Clear Politics most recent average).

America is pretty dumb. At least that's how I see us. For example:

 

* Republicans strongly opposed Obamacare & wanted it repealed, yet they nominate a Presidential candidate who had essentially the same legislation during his time as Governor of Massachusetts. Hypocrisy much?

 

* Some voters of Obama cast their ballots for him, knowing full well that Health Care was a centerpiece of his campaign/agenda/platform. 53% voted for Obama in 2008 & 51% in 2012. 38% of people currently approve of Obamacare (per Real Clear Politics most recent average).

 

On the Obamacare comment, I believe people voted for healthcare reform. I am confident just about any poll that refers to healthcare reform (not Obamacare) will show a clear majority of support in favor of healthcare reform. People voted for Obama the second time because the Republican candidate created Obamacare's model and because Republicans presented no option except repeal Obamacare. I believe people wanted, and still want, healthcare reform. They just are fearful that Obamacare is not the right kind of reform and that is why it gets lower marks. I wish the Republicans would have focused on presenting a better option instead of focusing on the repeal of Obamacare.

 

I am one of those people who wants healthcare reform. I believe Obamacare is flawed and therefore I have some doubts about it, like many others who want reform. However, I still support Obamacare because it is the best reform we have come up with after 25 years or more of debate and failed attempts. I want to keep Obamacare and fix the flaws because it is the best reform option we have. Like almost all things subject to debate, if you don't like what you see, show me a better idea. If you complain and have no better idea, then your complaint is just whining, being a naysayer and IMO worthless. This is one of my pet peeves. If you don't like something, no complaining has merit unless you can show me a better way. You want to get my attention, tell me "This is wrong and here is the right way." and back it up with some facts.

NBC Hypes 'Damage' to GOP in Shutdown, Ignores Obama Approval at 37 Percent | NewsBusters

 

So are we ignoring Obama's 37% approval rating and 53% disapproval rating by the AP. There is nothing consistent about it.

 

You can add that poll to the evidence pile too.

 

America is pretty dumb. At least that's how I see us. For example:

 

* Republicans strongly opposed Obamacare & wanted it repealed, yet they nominate a Presidential candidate who had essentially the same legislation during his time as Governor of Massachusetts. Hypocrisy much?

 

* Some voters of Obama cast their ballots for him, knowing full well that Health Care was a centerpiece of his campaign/agenda/platform. 53% voted for Obama in 2008 & 51% in 2012. 38% of people currently approve of Obamacare (per Real Clear Politics most recent average).

 

Which I think is up quite a bit from just a couple of weeks ago (it was at something like 31%).

On the Obamacare comment, I believe people voted for healthcare reform. I am confident just about any poll that refers to healthcare reform (not Obamacare) will show a clear majority of support in favor of healthcare reform. People voted for Obama the second time because the Republican candidate created Obamacare's model and because Republicans presented no option except repeal Obamacare. I believe people wanted, and still want, healthcare reform. They just are fearful that Obamacare is not the right kind of reform and that is why it gets lower marks. I wish the Republicans would have focused on presenting a better option instead of focusing on the repeal of Obamacare.

 

I am one of those people who wants healthcare reform. I believe Obamacare is flawed and therefore I have some doubts about it, like many others who want reform. However, I still support Obamacare because it is the best reform we have come up with after 25 years or more of debate and failed attempts. I want to keep Obamacare and fix the flaws because it is the best reform option we have. Like almost all things subject to debate, if you don't like what you see, show me a better idea. If you complain and have no better idea, then your complaint is just whining, being a naysayer and IMO worthless. This is one of my pet peeves. If you don't like something, no complaining has merit unless you can show me a better way. You want to get my attention, tell me "This is wrong and here is the right way." and back it up with some facts.

 

I agree that people wanted health care reform, but the people who voted for Obama but are now opposed to his health care plan knew exactly what they were getting. At least that's how I see it.

Which I think is up quite a bit from just a couple of weeks ago (it was at something like 31%).

 

Here's the link to where I got that 38% number. It has a graph on here dating back to 2009 showing the RCP average.

 

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

Which I think is up quite a bit from just a couple of weeks ago (it was at something like 31%).

 

I believe this is why the Tea Party and anti-Obamacare R's are fighting so hard to stop it now. If Obamacare continues to roll out, the horror stories being shouted about will not happen or be much less of a problem than people have been told and Obamacare will be here to stay. It is do or die time for the anti-Obamacare gang.

I know the media worships Obama as one would a GOD, but why on earth do they not report some actual news about how Obama Care AFCA is hurting a lot of working people.

I know the media worships Obama as one would a GOD, but why on earth do they not report some actual news about how Obama Care AFCA is hurting a lot of working people.

 

I have seen a number of negative stories on the rollout. Let's be clear though, the media (newspapers and reporting centered media) is not going to attack either side. Their job is to report facts. (Let the laughing begin.)

I believe this is why the Tea Party and anti-Obamacare R's are fighting so hard to stop it now. If Obamacare continues to roll out, the horror stories being shouted about will not happen or be much less of a problem than people have been told and Obamacare will be here to stay. It is do or die time for the anti-Obamacare gang.

 

I believe just the opposite. I think they should let it roll out as it will be as bad or probably worse than anticipated and will thus be put in an early grave. The recent events leads me to believe it more and more. 3 years of planning after running on the fact that so many people need healthcare and they're surprised at how many people are applying? That doesn't bode well for the future for the program.

I have seen a number of negative stories on the rollout. Let's be clear though, the media (newspapers and reporting centered media) is not going to attack either side. Their job is to report facts. (Let the laughing begin.)[/QUOTE]

 

Noted and complying.