Downfall of Ludlow, Dayton, Bellevue, etc.

[frankdracman23]

These schools did not have huge rosters when they won their state championships. I don't think Dayton had more than 30 when they won theirs. So I don't think the downfall is necessarily ties to the overall numbers.

 

To me the biggest factor was the rise of absolute Beechwood dominance in the 90s (yes they had some good teams in the 80s and won a state championship) which pretty much relegated these schools to also-ran status every year. On top of that in the 4 class system in place until 2007 you could add NCC into that district so that made it double tough to get out of the district/region.

 

I think that just wears on schools that may have one great class but cannot string them together. Then with the switch to the 6 class system the Beechwood dominance continued.

 

I do see some hope in future years.......with the re-alignment and the possibility of only 32 teams in Class A these Dayton, Bellevue, and Ludlow will not have to contend with Beechwood or NCC or even Walton Verona or Lloyd that have had stints in Class A. Even if there are as many as 36-40 teams in Class A they will avoid those team and with no soccer on the horizon should be able to compete with any of the other Class A teams.

[Fishhead]

Take a ride through Dayton some night from the floodwall gate on Rt. 8 to O'Fallon Avenue. That will tell you a lot about why they're not the team they once were. It's not the city it once was. It was always a rough place, but the people cared. Not much of that left in town anymore. It's becoming a mini-Newport. Abandoned houses, absentee landlords, petty theft, drugs, kids running wild, etc.

[Lawnboy13]

These schools did not have huge rosters when they won their state championships. I don't think Dayton had more than 30 when they won theirs. So I don't think the downfall is necessarily ties to the overall numbers.

 

To me the biggest factor was the rise of absolute Beechwood dominance in the 90s (yes they had some good teams in the 80s and won a state championship) which pretty much relegated these schools to also-ran status every year. On top of that in the 4 class system in place until 2007 you could add NCC into that district so that made it double tough to get out of the district/region.

 

I think that just wears on schools that may have one great class but cannot string them together. Then with the switch to the 6 class system the Beechwood dominance continued.

 

I do see some hope in future years.......with the re-alignment and the possibility of only 32 teams in Class A these Dayton, Bellevue, and Ludlow will not have to contend with Beechwood or NCC or even Walton Verona or Lloyd that have had stints in Class A. Even if there are as many as 36-40 teams in Class A they will avoid those team and with no soccer on the horizon should be able to compete with any of the other Class A teams.

 

Au contraire mon frere, NewCath's current enrollment is at 356, and I don't think there are 200 boys roaming those halls. The Breds just might be headed to Class 1A when it's all said and done.

[frankdracman23]

Au contraire mon frere, NewCath's current enrollment is at 356, and I don't think there are 200 boys roaming those halls. The Breds just might be headed to Class 1A when it's all said and done.

 

If the cut-off is 32 there is no way NCC will be in the smallest 32. The only way they have a chance to fall to Class A is if the division is equally divided in all 6 classes. Even then it is very unlikely. The 2012-13 enrollment according to KHSAA is 223 boys.

[Lawnboy13]

If the cut-off is 32 there is no way NCC will be in the smallest 32. The only way they have a chance to fall to Class A is if the division is equally divided in all 6 classes. Even then it is very unlikely. The 2012-13 enrollment according to KHSAA is 223 boys.

 

I'll see if I can get the numbers for this year.

[hrcarrier]

Take a ride through Dayton some night from the floodwall gate on Rt. 8 to O'Fallon Avenue. That will tell you a lot about why they're not the team they once were. It's not the city it once was. It was always a rough place, but the people cared. Not much of that left in town anymore. It's becoming a mini-Newport. Abandoned houses, absentee landlords, petty theft, drugs, kids running wild, etc.

 

Sad but true; things are being done to make things better along Sixth Avenue, but a lot more needs to be done. IMO, your best point is about there not being enough people there who actually care any more. Another problem in Dayton, which has been one of its biggest problems is its city officials; they aren't doing anything to attract new business and families, w/exception to the project being worked on behind the floodwall. As soon as Fairfield Avenue started cleaning its image up more and trying to attract potential businesses in Bellevue, Dayton should have been right on the wagon with them.

 

I think Jerry Gifford, councilman of Dayton said it best the last time I spoke with him. He said the avenue stops after Virgil's (if coming down from Bellevue). As bad as it has gotten, I will say that there is a really good Italian restaurant in the middle of Sixth Avenue called Buona Vita. The Fromeyers fixed that place up nicely and the food is really good. The restaurant has people come from all over too.

[mexitucky]

Sad but true; things are being done to make things better along Sixth Avenue, but a lot more needs to be done. IMO, your best point is about there not being enough people there who actually care any more. Another problem in Dayton, which has been one of its biggest problems is its city officials; they aren't doing anything to attract new business and families, w/exception to the project being worked on behind the floodwall. As soon as Fairfield Avenue started cleaning its image up more and trying to attract potential businesses in Bellevue, Dayton should have been right on the wagon with them.

 

I think Jerry Gifford, councilman of Dayton said it best the last time I spoke with him. He said the avenue stops after Virgil's (if coming down from Bellevue). As bad as it has gotten, I will say that there is a really good Italian restaurant in the middle of Sixth Avenue called Buona Vita. The Fromeyers fixed that place up nicely and the food is really good. The restaurant has people come from all over too.

 

I love Buona Vita. Great staff.

[futurecoach]

Why did the level of football fall so drastically at some of these Northern Ky. schools? I know that some of these schools use to be considered football powers, but are not very competitive these days.

 

Its very simple. As someone said these school usually go through cycles where they have a very good talented class come in once every 4 years or so. Well over the last 10 years that has changed because of adults. In the sports world today if you have a talented player, parents think going to a bigger school will help. When in the end of the day those talented kids end up not playing as much as they thought, or they get noticed the same amount as they would at the smaller school and still end up at the D3 or NAIA schools. So it really doesnt make a difference because if your talented you do get noticed, but parents seem to think it makes a huge difference. So those talented groups of kids end up getting broken up and end up elsewhere. So right now there really is not those very talented classes in that cycle that comes through because the talent leaves.

 

That is not the reason for everyone for why they switch schools after playing all their life in one area. However there are plenty that it is true. Which the names I am about to mention, it was not true for all of them. For some there were other reasons involved, which I understand.

 

Right now here are some talented kids that were or are well known in NKY who played their whole lives in Ludlow before switching. Burt Pouncy (Holy Cross), Drew Moore (Dixie), Brody Thorsten (CovCath), and Seth Caple and his brother (Dixie) who left for different reasons. That group besides Burt won a Super Bowl together while playing for Ludlow.

 

Which I will add that I don't blame parents for sending kids elsewhere because a parent your going to do what you believe is best. However that is why you see these teams not doing as well lately. Groups of kids don't stay together anymore. Just imagine the difference in Ludlow the last 4 years if the players I mentioned all stayed together. Ludlow would have a great team and a chance to possibly compete with Beechwood. Which those players still would have gotten noticed. However that is just how things are these days, so unless a coach recruits and is able to sell a group of talented kids to stick together then it will keep happening.

 

 

 

People also leave because they don't see the team doing well. When in reality if those players stick together they could be the ones who turn it around.

[OlDog75]

Futurecoach, are you sure Moore and Caple brothers did not live in Bromley? I do know part ,if not all, of Bromley is in Dixie's district.

[GrizzlyAdams]

Crazy how much things have changed in 5 years. My senior year of football was 2007 for Bellevue. That year you could have considered Bellevue/Dayton/Ludlow all top 10 teams in 1A. The Bellevue/Dayton game was so big that year that even theguru was there taking pictures on the sideline. Bellevue has remain somewhat consistent throughout this time but Ludlow/Dayton have dropped off tremendously.

[Fishhead]

Sad but true; things are being done to make things better along Sixth Avenue, but a lot more needs to be done. IMO, your best point is about there not being enough people there who actually care any more. Another problem in Dayton, which has been one of its biggest problems is its city officials; they aren't doing anything to attract new business and families, w/exception to the project being worked on behind the floodwall. As soon as Fairfield Avenue started cleaning its image up more and trying to attract potential businesses in Bellevue, Dayton should have been right on the wagon with them.

 

I think Jerry Gifford, councilman of Dayton said it best the last time I spoke with him. He said the avenue stops after Virgil's (if coming down from Bellevue). As bad as it has gotten, I will say that there is a really good Italian restaurant in the middle of Sixth Avenue called Buona Vita. The Fromeyers fixed that place up nicely and the food is really good. The restaurant has people come from all over too.

 

I've heard of that. It's been on my "to try" list for a while, but we never seem to be in that area.

[hrcarrier]

Crazy how much things have changed in 5 years. My senior year of football was 2007 for Bellevue. That year you could have considered Bellevue/Dayton/Ludlow all top 10 teams in 1A. The Bellevue/Dayton game was so big that year that even theguru was there taking pictures on the sideline. Bellevue has remain somewhat consistent throughout this time but Ludlow/Dayton have dropped off tremendously.

 

I don't know much about Ludlow's situation, but Dayton has lost a lot of people. Nowhere near the amount of people live here in comparison to before. There are very few people in Dayton that I grew up and went to school with that are still there, along with the majority of their parents. I don't know what you know about the current football team, but when I went to see them play Pendleton County, they fielded 20 players with three freshmen and a sophomore starting on the offensive line. I spoke with Coach Brewer last week when I saw him out eating and he believes that they will have more numbers coming out over the next couple of years. Guess we will see.

[hrcarrier]

I've heard of that. It's been on my "to try" list for a while, but we never seem to be in that area.

 

Make it a point to some time; it's honestly my favorite Italian restaurant in the area now. The staff is very good and polite, the food is really good, and the atmosphere as well as the outdoor patio with the bar in the back is nice too.

[BIGZIG]

Futurecoach' date=' are you sure Moore and Caple brothers did not live in Bromley? I do know part ,if not all, of Bromley is in Dixie's district.[/quote']

 

Moore and the Caple boys all live in Ludlow.

[TAC]

When I grew up I played for the blackjacks. There were 4 teams in the Dayton league. Bellevue had their own league as well. Just not enough Bodies and parents that care anymore.

Go to a Dayton game. Same faces doing the same thing for 25 years. Not enough parents that care.