Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

 

What numbers would be fudged? Considering the school gets their funds from the state based on the enrollment numbers they report, I doubt there is any fudging that can be done. Without some pretty large financial ramifications. It's one big conspiracy with you, Isnt' it? You aren't by chance wearing a Tin-Foil hat right now, are you?

 

I think Hellbird is a Cooper guy. So I doubt he would care about where HHS is playing.

 

On a serious note, is HHS currently playing up? I thought they were a 3A size school now. If not, I would imagine they are at the bottom of the 4A enrollment numbers and would not be a 4A in 4 Class system.

Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

 

I don't care if it's 4 classes or not.

Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

 

If there were four classes there is no way Highlands would be AAAA. They would be in the small end of AAA. No fudging.

On a serious note, is HHS currently playing up? I thought they were a 3A size school now. If not, I would imagine they are at the bottom of the 4A enrollment numbers and would not be a 4A in 4 Class system.

 

They aren't playing up. They chose not to play up because Covington Catholic and Holmes were both in 4A due to enrollment. But speaking of playing up, it was incredible to see all the 4A schools who requested to play up after the last alignment came out. Names like Boyle County and Lexington Catholic requested to play up due to geographic hardship, although the KHSAA wisely saw through that.

4 divisions, 9 game regular season, no bye weeks, and everyone makes the playoffs.

Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

 

HHS school size ranking within the 222 KY teams is 110. If you split the State into two classes it would be 1 thru 111 and then 110 thru 222 leaving Trinity in Class AA and HHS in Class A. If we want Trinity with 1018 boys grades 10 thru 11 to be in the same class as HHS with 314 boys grades 10 thur 11 you have to have one class for the state - all in one - let the best team win one state title - eveyone else no championship - just like the NCAA tour.

 

Hold it - Teams complain about not getting into the NCAA tourn - I would expect with one tourn in KY the KHSAA would field alot of complaints also.

 

Just a note - HHS is expected to drop lower than 110 in the next round of alignment.

HHS school size ranking within the 222 KY teams is 110. If you split the State into two classes it would be 1 thru 111 and then 110 thru 222 leaving Trinity in Class AA and HHS in Class A. If we want Trinity with 1018 boys grades 10 thru 11 to be in the same class as HHS with 314 boys grades 10 thur 11 you have to have one class for the state - all in one - let the best team win one state title - eveyone else no championship - just like the NCAA tour.

 

Hold it - Teams complain about not getting into the NCAA tourn - I would expect with one tourn in KY the KHSAA would field alot of complaints also.

 

Just a note - HHS is expected to drop lower than 110 in the next round of alignment.

 

That's because they are "fudging" the numbers.

That's because they are "fudging" the numbers.

 

You are correct - They only count the boys that were born to parents that live in Ft Thomas. Everyone else are transfers and do not count.

They aren't playing up. They chose not to play up because Covington Catholic and Holmes were both in 4A due to enrollment. But speaking of playing up, it was incredible to see all the 4A schools who requested to play up after the last alignment came out. Names like Boyle County and Lexington Catholic requested to play up due to geographic hardship, although the KHSAA wisely saw through that.

 

I won't take issue with the premise of your statement. However, a factual impact of going to 6 classes WAS increased 'geographic' hardship for most schools.

 

Going to 6 classes did spread out the geographic range of all the districts, regions and classes. So travel cost likely did go up for most teams. If I recall you had/have things like Bell County playing a Louisville area school in the 2nd round. This was a little discussed negative issue with going to 6 classes.

4 divisions, 9 game regular season, no bye weeks, and everyone makes the playoffs.

 

Why do people always want to shorten the season? I think the kids in some cases could use a bye week.

Why do people always want to shorten the season? I think the kids in some cases could use a bye week.

Exactly. Why shorten the season?

Why do people always want to shorten the season? I think the kids in some cases could use a bye week.

 

If all teams were seeded in the playoffs, likely the #1 and #2 seeds in each regional bracket could earn a bye. I do love the idea of 9 regular season games, though. Start the season later (Labor Day) and still finish by Thanksgiving or the week after.

 

And for what it's worth, I totally agree that 6 classes in KY is a joke. This state really doesn't even have the numbers to justify four classes, but four is/was a heckuva lot more competitive than the current structure.

 

If all teams were seeded in the playoffs, likely the #1 and #2 seeds in each regional bracket could earn a bye. I do love the idea of 9 regular season games, though. Start the season later (Labor Day) and still finish by Thanksgiving or the week after.

 

And for what it's worth, I totally agree that 6 classes in KY is a joke. This state really doesn't even have the numbers to justify four classes, but four is/was a heckuva lot more competitive than the current structure.

 

I always liked the first weekend in December as the title games. Why the desire to end around thanksgiving?

I always liked the first weekend in December as the title games. Why the desire to end around thanksgiving?

 

Because many firmly believe that 1987 was the greatest year in history and everything should remain the same as it was then. Any attempt to change is softening kids, giving everyone a trophy, and basically wasting the time of all but about 10 teams in Kentucky.

 

I'm only slightly kidding.

While I certainly understand TOG's thoughts about Ky football being watered down due to the number of classes (and it is in my opinion) comparing what Ohio does with what Ky does is irrelevant to me. The quality of HS football played in Ohio (across the board) is heads and shoulders above the quality played in Ky. So what is best for them, isn't necessarily best for us.

 

The issue with 6 classes is not whether it watered down the competition (again, it did) but whether having 6 classes will help improve or hurt the quality of HS football in Ky in the future. Those who supported 6 classes (and I was one of those) did so because they believed that it will help improve the quality down the road. Perhaps we will be proven wrong. If so, then I made a mistake.

 

And for those that claim we went to 6 classes because we wanted to remove as many teams as possible from having to play Trinity in the playoffs, I understand why people would think that. Given the tension between the public and privates at the time, it's only logical to think that was a motive. I can honestly say I didn't hear that from other board members. But I can't say for certain that they weren't thinking it. And I'm fine if they were and if that was a motivation or even the primary motivation for 6 classes if going to 6 classes diffused the push to separate the privates. I think that separation would have been a disaster for high school athletics in Ky over the long haul. TOG, you are right in the current structure resulting in watered down state championships, but what would you have called the private school football championship with the many fewer than 30 private schools (16?) competing against one another? How fair would it have been for Brossart to compete against CovCath, X or T for the football championship? If it and the other small private schools had to compete with X and T for a football championships, would those smaller schools even continued a football program? My guess is some of them would have discontinued their programs. That, as Martha would say, would not have been a good thing.

 

There are winners and losers in every decision. Separation would have been good for some schools; but a disaster for others. Going to 6 classes really hasn't hurt any program that I can tell. I acctually think it has helped football programs. It might make for some more blowouts, then again, there were blow outs when there were 4 classes. Not wanting to be a jerk, but we beat CovCath 55 to 0 back in 75 when we had 4 classes. Our closest playoff game was the state championship game when we won by 21 points. I compare that with some of the more recent playoffs. Highlands barely beat JC a couple of years ago when JC's receiver drops a pass in the endzone; Highlands needing a last second TD to beat Bryan Station; a very competitive playoff game with CovCath last year; etc., etc. Yeah Highlands has had some blow out state championship games as of late, but they've had to beat some real quality teams to get there in most years. T survived a very close playoff game with Scott County last year. BG had a really tough time with Cooper in the state game and survived John Hardin the week before on a trick, hook and lateral, play to win the game. NewCath had a tough win over Caldwell County. Central has had very tough state championship wins over Belfry the last two years, one going to overtime.

 

So while I can't disagree that 6 classes has watered it down some, it's not like the same 6 teams are winning it year, after year, with blowouts every step of the way in the playoffs. With a play or two going the other way during the playoff or state championship games, Belfry, Cooper, Caldwell, CovCath and Scott County were state champions last year instead of Central, BG, NCC, Highlands and T (and perhaps Mayfield too but I don't remember their playoff run).

 

The current structure isn't perfect and I understand and appreciate the criticism.

 

Now fire away folks. I realize my thinking is in the minority of fans' opinions (but I believe I'm in the majority of the coaches', administrators' and players' opinions).