I could live with a 4 class system.

 

3 would be pretty interesting lol, could make for some great football games. I think 3 is too few though.

 

We can agree see!

We can agree see!

 

Yes we can! My only contention was why do people always want to compare to other states? Who cares what other states do was my point.

Yes we can! My only contention was why do people always want to compare to other states? Who cares what other states do was my point.

 

Yeah, but you have to compare/contrast it to something, and I think OH is being used just because of proximity. I know when the discussion of splitting private/public schools for football, TN I think is used frequently in that debate, again as a basis of comparison/contrast and because it's close in proximity. And I also would like to see 3 classes, I think that would be uber interesting.

I could live with a 4 class system.

 

3 would be pretty interesting lol, could make for some great football games. I think 3 is too few though.

 

Why is 3 too few?

It's not about the number of schools but the size of the schools. Kentucky has a very wide range of school sizes and schools of relative size are not always in the same geographic area. I'm guessing that Ohio has similar classes made up of similar enrollment numbers as Kentucky does, the only thing is that Ohio has so many more schools that their classes contain more schools.

Why is 3 too few?

 

I just think with the enrollment sizes, there would be too much of a difference in numbers from the lowest in a class to the highest which creates a advantage.

I just think with the enrollment sizes, there would be too much of a difference in numbers from the lowest in a class to the highest which creates a advantage.

Yep, it's about the size of the schools not the number of schools in a class.

Yep, it's about the size of the schools not the number of schools in a class.

 

Yep. I think it really wouldn't be too fair if for instance you broke the 3 classes up as follows

 

0-400 Class 1

401-800 Class 2

801+ Class 3

 

You would have several schools competing against other schools with double or more the male student body which I don't care who you are it's a definite disadvantage for the smaller schools.

 

Also, I don't know the nujbers etc. but I would think the classes would be pretty different in the number of schools participating in each class.

Ohio is very much different than Kentucky. So it is hard comparison. 3x the number of schools and a very different playoff system. Due to the scale only half the teams get into the playoffs.

 

Indiana is very similar to Kentucky. It has 5 classes and all teams get into the playoffs.

 

So just to the north you have two very different systems as comparisons. At least the comparisons do not rely on arbitrary rules - i.e. limiting the top and bottom class or rotating one district in one class for purposes of playoffs. These arbitrary rules can only be found here.

 

One of the main problems with Kentucky HS football is its predicable, pre-set playoff structure. Unfortunately most here can almost layout the playoff brackets before the season starts. The favorites for Region finals and State semis are well known. And this is....BORING. It is also discouraging to the 'have not' schools. I believe the following the mindset of many potential players around the state: Why play football for a team that may have a good coach and maybe on the rise or improving but will likely be 3rd or 4th or even miss the playoffs if they are in classes 2 through 5? The overly predictable nature of the structure is discouraging to those in the lower part of structure. Since going to 6 classes the saying that rich get richer seems to ring true. The 6 class structure has done nothing to improve the lower echelon of football in Kentucky. Nothing. Some teams still fail to make the playoffs at all. And many of those that do know they will face a very strong team in 'Blowout Weekend'. Any claims of increased participation due to the 6 class structure in its current form should be met with heavy skepticism.

 

I think Indiana is a better example. Kentucky could emulate its structure with 4 classes. But that will not happen. The 6 class genie is out of the bottle and not going back in any time soon. But OG I am with you - the current system fixed almost nothing and still has lots of flaws.

Ohio is very much different than Kentucky. So it is hard comparison. 3x the number of schools and a very different playoff system. Due to the scale only half the teams get into the playoffs.

 

Indiana is very similar to Kentucky. It has 5 classes and all teams get into the playoffs.

 

So just to the north you have two very different systems as comparisons. At least the comparisons do not rely on arbitrary rules - i.e. limiting the top and bottom class or rotating one district in one class for purposes of playoffs. These arbitrary rules can only be found here.

 

One of the main problems with Kentucky HS football is its predicable, pre-set playoff structure. Unfortunately most here can almost layout the playoff brackets before the season starts. The favorites for Region finals and State semis are well known. And this is....BORING. It is also discouraging to the 'have not' schools. I believe the following the mindset of many potential players around the state: Why play football for a team that may have a good coach and maybe on the rise or improving but will likely be 3rd or 4th or even miss the playoffs if they are in classes 2 through 5? The overly predictable nature of the structure is discouraging to those in the lower part of structure. Since going to 6 classes the saying that rich get richer seems to ring true. The 6 class structure has done nothing to improve the lower echelon of football in Kentucky. Nothing. Some teams still fail to make the playoffs at all. And many of those that do know they will face a very strong team in 'Blowout Weekend'. Any claims of increased participation due to the 6 class structure in its current form should be met with heavy skepticism.

 

I think Indiana is a better example. Kentucky could emulate its structure with 4 classes. But that will not happen. The 6 class genie is out of the bottle and not going back in any time soon. But OG I am with you - the current system fixed almost nothing and still has lots of flaws.

 

Well done.

Which, I think kind of proves TOG's point. As crazy as 12 classes would be in OH, and it sounds by your post you would agree with that, there would still be more teams in each division even with that than there are in KY with 6 classes. There would have to be between 19 or 20 classes in OH to equal the approximate number of teams per class as in KY with 6A. When you think about it in those terms, having 6 classes in KY seems even further out there.

 

After re-reading your post, yes 4A in KY would be roughly equal to 12A in OH.

 

According to the AVG Boys at HHS of 419 they would fall in DII in Ohio "D-II – 108 schools with male enrollments of 403 to 607". With 7 Div in Ohio they are D11 in KY with 6 Classes they are a 4.

 

I am sure Ohio had to consider the expense to move from 6 Divisions to 7 prior to making the decision. They would be hard pressed to do 12 - expense and logistics would be a problem.

 

I know talking to people i work with in Ohio would like to have a tournament like KY and not use ratings.

According to the AVG Boys at HHS of 419 they would fall in DII in Ohio "D-II – 108 schools with male enrollments of 403 to 607". With 7 Div in Ohio they are D11 in KY with 6 Classes they are a 4.

 

I am sure Ohio had to consider the expense to move from 6 Divisions to 7 prior to making the decision. They would be hard pressed to do 12 - expense and logistics would be a problem.

 

I know talking to people i work with in Ohio would like to have a tournament like KY and not use ratings.

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Ohio does not count freshman in enrollment numbers. Ohio's enrollment numbers are for grades 10 - 12. Kentucky's enrollment numbers are for 9 - 12.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Ohio does not count freshman in enrollment numbers. Ohio's enrollment numbers are for grades 10 - 12. Kentucky's enrollment numbers are for 9 - 12.

 

 

I knew that but forgot. Thanks.

 

All I have is the KY Avg 2yrs -at 419 - So HHS would be around 314 or so if taking the AVG for 10 thru 12.

 

Placing them in D-III – 108 schools with male enrollments of 281 to 402 - and since they are the smallest 4A school in the state (by last realignment count), they would also be close to the same position in Ohio school size.

Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

Hellbird doesn't want 4 classes. He knows if HHS got stuck in 4A with the likes of trinity, Scott county and X, the run would be over. Im sure the numbers would get fudged to somehow have them in 3A or even 2A lol. It's a joke that this state has 6 classes in football.

 

Simon Kenton - the largest school in NKY at 594 (10 thru 12) would be DII in Ohio.

 

D-II – 108 schools with male enrollments of 403 to 607

 

The only reason KY has 6 classes and Ohio 7 is to have more State Champonships

 

If it was not for the expense and logistics there would be more. Alot of parents and school Admin's want there kids to get a metal.