The same insurance companies being made wealthy by Obamacare....interesting bed fellows.

 

Healthcare insurers are dropping the heal care civerage ?

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Too many people has already been killed by guns on college campuses. North Carolina passing this bill just makes it easier for people/college kids to kill other people while on campus.

 

You really think 32 people get killed @ Virginia Tech if some of those students or professors had their guns that they're allowed to carry most other places with their concealed carry permit? There's no way to know for certain but I have a hard time believing things play out the same way if that area wasn't a gun free zone.

But what if a college kid goes on a rampage and starts killing other college kids, (even if they are armed)?

 

Does anyone remember about twenty years ago when the concept of concealed carry was building steam in KY? Opponents were predicting random gun fights breaking out in the streets between conceal carry holders. The police were even very cautious of the idea of concealed carry. This may have been more magnified in Louisville due to many Louisvillians having a bizarre fear of guns. 17 years (I believe) after passage, reports of a concealed carry holder breaking out into an insane shooting rage are virtually unheard of. If one did in KY, the Louisville media would be tripping over themselves reporting on it and would be going on about it for months. For the most part, people carrying legally are not the people you need to worry about. It is the ones who carry illegally who don't care if they are in a gun free zone you have to worry about. Most police agencies admitted their worries of concealed carry never materialized. I took my concealed carry at the Jeffersontown Police Department and an officer we ran into thanked us for being responsible gun owners.

I can see both of your all's points. But what if a college kid goes on a rampage and starts killing other college kids, (even if they are armed)?

 

 

I'm still not sure if I'm for this or against this just yet

 

If that happens it's not likely going to be because he was allowed to have his gun on campus. I find it highly unlikely that there's a lot of people out there being deterred from going through with their mass shooting simply due to the fact that they're not allowed to bring their guns on campus. The legislation says you can have your gun in a locked car if you have a concealed carry permit, not that you can have your gun on campus and start killing people whenever you feel the need to do so. Do you worry about people with guns when you go to the grocery store or Wal Mart, because those are often times places that I don't go without mine.

 

Does anyone remember about twenty years ago when the concept of concealed carry was building steam in KY? Opponents were predicting random gun fights breaking out in the streets between conceal carry holders. The police were even very cautious of the idea of concealed carry. This may have been more magnified in Louisville due to many Louisvillians having a bizarre fear of guns. 17 years (I believe) after passage, reports of a concealed carry holder breaking out into an insane shooting rage are virtually unheard of. If one did in KY, the Louisville media would be tripping over themselves reporting on it and would be going on about it for months. For the most part, people carrying legally are not the people you need to worry about. It is the ones who carry illegally who don't care if they are in a gun free zone you have to worry about. Most police agencies admitted their worries of concealed carry never materialized. I took my concealed carry at the Jeffersontown Police Department and an officer we ran into thanked us for being responsible gun owners.

 

Dupe

 

Does anyone remember about twenty years ago when the concept of concealed carry was building steam in KY? Opponents were predicting random gun fights breaking out in the streets between conceal carry holders. The police were even very cautious of the idea of concealed carry. This may have been more magnified in Louisville due to many Louisvillians having a bizarre fear of guns. 17 years (I believe) after passage, reports of a concealed carry holder breaking out into an insane shooting rage are virtually unheard of. If one did in KY, the Louisville media would be tripping over themselves reporting on it and would be going on about it for months. For the most part, people carrying legally are not the people you need to worry about. It is the ones who carry illegally who don't care if they are in a gun free zone you have to worry about. Most police agencies admitted their worries of concealed carry never materialized. I took my concealed carry at the Jeffersontown Police Department and an officer we ran into thanked us for being responsible gun owners.

 

On the other hand, there are scarce reports of a CC owner stopping a crime/shooting that wasn't related to them directly, ie home invasion

On the other hand, there are scarce reports of a CC owner stopping a crime/shooting that wasn't related to them directly, ie home invasion

 

More than you think...I have read several over the last few years...one in particular a guy went into Walmart somewhere to kill his wife that worked there and while he was beating her an unknown customer was able to save her by shooting and killing her husband. Granted there are not cases like this daily, but there are many less stories about CC Owners committing any sort of crime or even instigating and engagement with anyone. CC has not had many if any negative effects that were feared when it was passed into law.

On the other hand, there are scarce reports of a CC owner stopping a crime/shooting that wasn't related to them directly, ie home invasion

 

If/when a home invasion or break in is thwarted by a gun owner it's very rare that they mention them having their concealed carry permit because most people over the age of 21 without a felony conviction can have a gun in their house. The concealed carry really doesn't play a part in them having a gun in their own home.

On the other hand, there are scarce reports of a CC owner stopping a crime/shooting that wasn't related to them directly, ie home invasion

 

I will agree with you that unfortunately, it is scarcly reported in the media. According to the Cato Institute, in an 8 year period, 285 crimes were foiled by concealed carry.

 

Cato Paper Shows How Guns Thwart Crimes and Save Lives - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

Large number? Not necessarily but that could have been 285 thefts/assaults/rapes/and/or murders that were prevented by concealed carry.

All this means is that a student in NC who wants to kill other students will turn to alternative methods instead of guns. Not really seeing how this is a long-term solution.

All this means is that a student in NC who wants to kill other students will turn to alternative methods instead of guns. Not really seeing how this is a long-term solution.

 

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're trying to suggest with your post?

All this means is that a student in NC who wants to kill other students will turn to alternative methods instead of guns. Not really seeing how this is a long-term solution.

 

 

I agree. It also makes it easier for a student who has ill intent to arrive on campus armed with no suspicion.

More than you think...I have read several over the last few years...one in particular a guy went into Walmart somewhere to kill his wife that worked there and while he was beating her an unknown customer was able to save her by shooting and killing her husband. Granted there are not cases like this daily, but there are many less stories about CC Owners committing any sort of crime or even instigating and engagement with anyone. CC has not had many if any negative effects that were feared when it was passed into law.

 

My fear is that it makes a person who is bent on ill intent harder to pinpoint.

 

I will agree with you that unfortunately, it is scarcly reported in the media. According to the Cato Institute, in an 8 year period, 285 crimes were foiled by concealed carry.

 

Cato Paper Shows How Guns Thwart Crimes and Save Lives - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

Large number? Not necessarily but that could have been 285 thefts/assaults/rapes/and/or murders that were prevented by concealed carry.

 

 

It's larger than I knew.

I agree. It also makes it easier for a student who has ill intent to arrive on campus armed with no suspicion.

 

How so? Please explain how that's the case? It says they're allowed having the gun on campus in a locked car. It's not like the cars were passing through metal detectors or searched on a regular basis previously.