Going to piggy back on this SPOILER ALERT with Jumper Dad.

 

 

 

 

I also don't get those who said Superman had a darker tone...he didn't and was the same "good old mid western American values apple pie loves his mom" he always is. Anything "dark" was in Batman's mind shown in dream sequence fashion, which is exactly what Lex Luthor was trying to accomplish (get Bruce Wayne to hate Superman so much he would try and take him out). The only little bit of difference was that Batman for a while there was actually raging enough that we was going to kill Superman, thinking he was bad for the world and would eventually take over. So no, the tone was not changed for either one of the two characters.

 

As far as Wonder Woman, from what I have read in the past, she has been almost Superman's equal in strength for a while now (not sure if this was the case 40-50 years ago, but has been the theme in recent history). I don't think, however, she can take quite the pounding that he can or recover quite as quickly, again if you follow along with relatively recent comic book story lines.

 

What I don't/didn't like, however, is the seemingly changing level of power characters have, and this is a common theme in Marvel movies as well I think. Batman is just a regular dude with lots of gadgets...as soon as Superman took him through the first brick wall he should have been at least out of commission, if not dead. And DEFINITELY done as soon as he went through a second brick wall. And even though WW is supposedly almost Superman's equal strength wise, she seemed in this movie to be...maybe even stronger than him, or at least the more capable superhero.

 

As far as the overall movie goes, it was...ok. As many have pointed out, it was to long, maybe by about 20-25 minutes or so. I also didn't like the way it ended. I think it could have been edited down much better to create a quicker, more concise movie that better held the audience's attention. Unlike some on here, I didn't care for Eisneburg as LL, or at least didn't like the way he portrayed the character. But then I'm just not much of a fan of any of his work really. Really like Gadot as WW...she is smoking hot, sexy AND pulls of the "warrior queen" thing, all at the same time. I thought Affleck as BB was fine. What I didn't like though was Jeremy irons as Alfred, and how it was made to seem like he was the brains behind the whole Batman operation...building stuff, repairing stuff. Almost like Batman was just the "dumb muscle". I didn't care for that angle.

 

Batman is dumb muscle though. It it ain't Jeremy Irons it is Morgan Freeman who was making his stuff. Batman is just a detective and Kung fu artist.

 

Batman is dumb muscle though. It it ain't Jeremy Irons it is Morgan Freeman who was making his stuff. Batman is just a detective and Kung fu artist.

 

The first part of your last sentence immediately disqualifies the "dumb muscle" statement. Batman is one of the smartest characters int he DC universal and I do think that it did shine through

this protrayal. I mean nothing will ever compare to the character from the 90s animated series and the Justice League animated series tied into that, but this movie showed him as smarter than any previous big screen portrayal. The only one I would say otherwise would be in Tim Burton'sfirst Batman because he was much smarter in than he was given credit for.

 

Going to piggy back on this SPOILER ALERT with Jumper Dad.

 

I also don't get those who said Superman had a darker tone...he didn't and was the same "good old mid western American values apple pie loves his mom" he always is. Anything "dark" was in Batman's mind shown in dream sequence fashion, which is exactly what Lex Luthor was trying to accomplish (get Bruce Wayne to hate Superman so much he would try and take him out). The only little bit of difference was that Batman for a while there was actually raging enough that we was going to kill Superman, thinking he was bad for the world and would eventually take over. So no, the tone was not changed for either one of the two characters.

 

As far as Wonder Woman, from what I have read in the past, she has been almost Superman's equal in strength for a while now (not sure if this was the case 40-50 years ago, but has been the theme in recent history). I don't think, however, she can take quite the pounding that he can or recover quite as quickly, again if you follow along with relatively recent comic book story lines.

 

What I don't/didn't like, however, is the seemingly changing level of power characters have, and this is a common theme in Marvel movies as well I think. Batman is just a regular dude with lots of gadgets...as soon as Superman took him through the first brick wall he should have been at least out of commission, if not dead. And DEFINITELY done as soon as he went through a second brick wall. And even though WW is supposedly almost Superman's equal strength wise, she seemed in this movie to be...maybe even stronger than him, or at least the more capable superhero.

 

As far as the overall movie goes, it was...ok. As many have pointed out, it was to long, maybe by about 20-25 minutes or so. I also didn't like the way it ended. I think it could have been edited down much better to create a quicker, more concise movie that better held the audience's attention. Unlike some on here, I didn't care for Eisneburg as LL, or at least didn't like the way he portrayed the character. But then I'm just not much of a fan of any of his work really. Really like Gadot as WW...she is smoking hot, sexy AND pulls of the "warrior queen" thing, all at the same time. I thought Affleck as BB was fine. What I didn't like though was Jeremy irons as Alfred, and how it was made to seem like he was the brains behind the whole Batman operation...building stuff, repairing stuff. Almost like Batman was just the "dumb muscle". I didn't care for that angle.

 

As far as WW is concerned you have to take into account her age and experience. She is definitely the more skilled fighter whereas SM is jusy a big tough guy with little to no fighting experience.

The first part of your last sentence immediately disqualifies the "dumb muscle" statement. Batman is one of the smartest characters int he DC universal and I do think that it did shine through

this protrayal. I mean nothing will ever compare to the character from the 90s animated series and the Justice League animated series tied into that, but this movie showed him as smarter than any previous big screen portrayal. The only one I would say otherwise would be in Tim Burton'sfirst Batman because he was much smarter in than he was given credit for.

 

Come on, Pep. You're taking all the fun of my irrational hatred for Batman. :lol2:

Just saw it and loved it all. And I'm a big time Marvel Fanboy. I don't understand the negativity but I am not a comic book purist and I can't pick out subtleties in movies to know if they are good or bad. I'm either entertained or I'm not. I was highly entertained.

 

Now on bring on Civil War!!!!!

 

I with you on this. I love all these movies. As someone mentioned before on this thread the comic book movies have become the best action movies. I can't stand the comic book purists, at least the ones I know. I don't care if the director deviates from Batman comic book #15467338. Did you entertain me or not? I really enjoyed this movie. On to civil war!!!

 

I with you on this. I love all these movies. As someone mentioned before on this thread the comic book movies have become the best action movies. I can't stand the comic book purists, at least the ones I know. I don't care if the director deviates from Batman comic book #15467338. Did you entertain me or not? I really enjoyed this movie.

 

Then go watch one of Michael Bay's movies if all you want is the big 'splosions. :lol2:

 

Okay that was snarkier than I intended. My character complaints really aren't the heroes as much as Lex Zuckerberg

Then go watch one of Michael Bay's movies if all you want is the big 'splosions. :lol2:

 

Okay that was snarkier than I intended. My character complaints really aren't the heroes as much as Lex Zuckerberg

 

Really! I thought Lex Zuckerberg did great. I love that dude though. I think he does a great job at playing the snarky, neurotic type. I really liked him in this.

 

"You can't unring the bell!" "Ding." "Ding." "Ding."

Then go watch one of Michael Bay's movies if all you want is the big 'splosions. :lol2:

 

Okay that was snarkier than I intended. My character complaints really aren't the heroes as much as Lex Zuckerberg

 

I watch Bad Boys II everytime it comes on!!!!!

 

Really! I thought Lex Zuckerberg did great. I love that dude though. I think he does a great job at playing the snarky, neurotic type. I really liked him in this.

 

"You can't unring the bell!" "Ding." "Ding." "Ding."

 

I enjoy him as an actor, I just didn't enjoy his performance.

I enjoy him as an actor, I just didn't enjoy his performance.

 

Gotcha. I always envisioned Lex as a big buff dude but I did enjoy his version of Lex. I do think Heath Ledger has ruined all villians going forward. No one will get top The Joker. Greatest villain ever!

So is this movie worth seeing or not?

 

Gotcha. I always envisioned Lex as a big buff dude but I did enjoy his version of Lex. I do think Heath Ledger has ruined all villians going forward. No one will get top The Joker. Greatest villain ever!

 

Ledger wasn't even the best joker in my mind. That honor goes to Mark Hamill.

So is this movie worth seeing or not?

 

Count me in the group who really enjoyed it, so I say "yes".

Ledger wasn't even the best joker in my mind. That honor goes to Mark Hamill.

 

:lol2: Now you are just trying to confuse everyone. I do think he is an excellent Joker.

So is this movie worth seeing or not?

 

Hummmm. I am a fan of the comic book movies, but admittedly more of a Marvel Universe guy over DC and always have been and think their movies have been done better as well. With that said, I WANT to like this movie, but I'm not sure I can say I really did. But, I can't say I really disliked it either. Action scenes are pretty good, but it does have several weaknesses...length/editing, LL and (to a lesser extent) the Alfred character. Somewhat disjointed story line.

 

With all that, what I can tell you is if you want to see a couple of pretty cool battle scenes and a smoking hot Wonder Woman (though not enough of her) then go see it. Just be prepared for some lulls in the movie and looking at your watch with about 15-20 minutes left ready for it to be over.