Getslow Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Okay, I'll bite. It's a false premise. "If you believe homosexuality is sinful, then you hate gay people." What if someone also believes violence against a fellow human is sinful? Does he hate soldiers? If a woman believes divorce is wrong, does she then despise those who have suffered through terrible marriages and chosen to get out of them? If a man were to believe that eating pork goes against God's commandments, does he hate the people in the parking lot at Packers games? Do some people have hate in their hearts? Absolutely. Is the recognition of something as sinful mean a person is filled with hatred? I don't think so.
Randy Parker Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Do some people have hate in their hearts? Absolutely. Is the recognition of something as sinful mean a person is filled with hatred? I don't think so. If there was a Christmas Story pic with me giving a thumbs up, I would put that picture right here.
nkypete Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 This is absolutely the wrong question! St. Paul in Romans 10:9 provides the formula that I care about: "For, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Bert Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Okay, I'll bite. It's a false premise. "If you believe homosexuality is sinful, then you hate gay people." What if someone also believes violence against a fellow human is sinful? Does he hate soldiers? If a woman believes divorce is wrong, does she then despise those who have suffered through terrible marriages and chosen to get out of them? If a man were to believe that eating pork goes against God's commandments, does he hate the people in the parking lot at Packers games? Do some people have hate in their hearts? Absolutely. Is the recognition of something as sinful mean a person is filled with hatred? I don't think so. I vehemently disagree with the views of Nambla (North American Man Boy Love Association) but I don't hate any of their members/supporters, I think they are twisted in the head but I don't hate them.
oldonetechnique Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I tried to explain this to my wife she has a few gay friends, I do not welcome them at my home, I treat them well, I actually like them as people, but in my house with my kids I do not welcome them and show my kids that this behavior is okay....I compared this to some of my life long friends, who have made or continue to make bad life choices, drugs, dealing drugs, etc... I still love them, will help them if I can, just they dont come over and hang with me and my kids.
UKMustangFan Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I tried to explain this to my wife she has a few gay friends, I do not welcome them at my home, I treat them well, I actually like them as people, but in my house with my kids I do not welcome them and show my kids that this behavior is okay....I compared this to some of my life long friends, who have made or continue to make bad life choices, drugs, dealing drugs, etc... I still love them, will help them if I can, just they dont come over and hang with me and my kids. That seems like a pretty un-Christian stance to me. :idunno:
oldonetechnique Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 That seems like a pretty un-Christian stance to me. :idunno: Ok, It may not be very christian, but honestly I don't understand why it would not be?? I would not turn them away if they needed something I would help them and teach my children to do the same. But what I mean some folks see it as okay to not allow druggies in your house, cause you dont agree with their lifestyle choices, but dont see it as okay for homosexuality. Not sure if it would be considered christian or not. But that is my choice. I don't treat them bad, I dont speak derogatory towards them or about them, I just simply do not want those influences present on my family til they are old enough to have been taught our beliefs.
oldonetechnique Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 As an adult you are in charge and have to make choices to protect your families best interest, hanging out with those that threaten the family unit to me is the right thing to do.
UKMustangFan Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 ^How in the world do they "threaten" your family? Are you afraid that if your children are around them they might catch "the gay"? I would think it would be setting a great example for your children in how as Christians we aren't supposed to judge others and by loving our neighbor, despite their flaws or differences. :idunno:
oldonetechnique Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 ^How in the world do they "threaten" your family? Are you afraid that if your children are around them they might catch "the gay"? I would think it would be setting a great example for your children in how as Christians we aren't supposed to judge others and by loving our neighbor, despite their flaws or differences. :idunno: As a christian I am not to judge them, always forgive them, have love for them as humans. I do that, I teach those things in my house, even when the discussion of boys dating boys, and girls dating girls comes up. But I do not need to covet them or invite them to be my guests. No I don't think my kids will catch the gay, lol. I just think its the best interest of my family that I do it this way. Did your parents not have kids that were not invited to your home growing up, due to they were a bad influence, or into serious trouble, or something?? Like I said there are several people I would not bring into my home, for various reasons. What is someone was a racist, a child predator, a murderer?? While all these are far fetched or extreme circumstances....should I invite them in and love them and show an example in our dirrerences?? I just think some folks mistake NOT Judging, for approving. If my son comes home with a boyfreind someday I will love him, I will respect his mate, I will not judge, but I will not approve of his relationship and tell them it is okay, just like if my daughter comes home and tell us she has cheated on her husband and is still having this affair.
MentschTrachtGottLacht Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I tried to explain this to my wife she has a few gay friends, I do not welcome them at my home, I treat them well, I actually like them as people, but in my house with my kids I do not welcome them and show my kids that this behavior is okay....I compared this to some of my life long friends, who have made or continue to make bad life choices, drugs, dealing drugs, etc... I still love them, will help them if I can, just they dont come over and hang with me and my kids. Just so I'm clear, are you implying being gay is a choice?
oldonetechnique Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Just so I'm clear, are you implying being gay is a choice? That is not what I was implying, just simply was responding to a few of the posters on here. my comments mostly were just referring to it as a lifestyle and a subject I want to keep absent from my home. For the record I believe hate is also a sin that is judged harshly by my creator.
Preachit Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Just so I'm clear, are you implying being gay is a choice? I think it is. If I felt it wasn't a choice then I would not consider it a sin. It all comes down to how you view the Bible. If you believe that the Bible is God's word then you probably believe homosexuality is a choice and a sin. If you believe the Bible is a flawed cultural book than you do not believe it is a choice or a sin. No one argues what the Bible says about homosexuality. The arguement is more about whether or not the Bible is correct.
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