As long as anyone is free to burn the U.S. flag, burn Bibles etc.. No reason to outlaw free speech...

I was at a game this season where the one of the teams best players was a transfer from Canada. The student section of the other team broke out the U-S-A chant in that game. Is this offensive in this situation? The player on the other team was not an American citizen...

I was at that game too. It happens to him nearly every game on the road.. He,along with the rest of the team, seems to enjoy it.. So no. Not offensive at all.. Just kids being kids.

As long as anyone is free to burn the U.S. flag, burn Bibles etc.. No reason to outlaw free speech...

 

100% correct - as ignorant as that speech might be.

I'm surprised at the thinking that as long as they were shouting "U-S-A" then the reasoning behind it is secondary.

Is it racist when student sections from city/suburban areas dress up in straw hats, boots, cut off t-shirts, wear mullet whigs, etc. when they are playing a rural area school; When the city/suburban school has a diverse population of students and the county school doesn't?

 

Because, I see that A LOT.

 

How come that form of bigotry/racism (whatever shoe fits) is ok?

 

What our society has deemed acceptable and what's not has become such a double standard with so many situations that it makes me sick.

Is it racist when student sections from city/suburban areas dress up in straw hats, boots, cut off t-shirts, wear mullet whigs, etc. when they are playing a rural area school; When the city/suburban school has a diverse population of students and the county school doesn't?

 

Because, I see that A LOT.

 

How come that form of bigotry/racism (whatever shoe fits) is ok?

 

There is a line and sometimes it's a fine line. I've already given examples of where it's unacceptable.

There is a line and sometimes it's a fine line. I've already given examples of where it's unacceptable.

 

So what is your opinion on the example Harry posted?

I remember watching Bill O'Reiley a few years back, and he was talking about this double standard. I'm not really one that gets into politics that much. I mean, you are talking to a guy that watches Fox News as much as he watches Bill Maher, so I take a lot of it TIC.

 

But, O'Reiley was talking about an Eminem music video at the time that had a female Adult film star portraying Sara Palin in a very sultry manner. Eminem and some of his cronies (both white and black) were dancing around the girl being portrayed as Palin in the video, taking it about as far as you could go for what's allowed on regular programming. Essentially, they were making her out to be a two bit you know what.

 

So, Bill then said..(and, I'm paraphrasing here), "Now, what if that was a country music video for Travis Tritt and an African American woman portrayed as Michelle Obama in the same manner as Palin?"

 

Well, he essentially pointed out what everyone of you thought when you read that, the roof would blow off and the entire country (media in particular) would have erupted in a firestorm.

 

Frankly, I couldn't have cared less about the Eminem video. I thought it was exactly what it was made for; entertainment. I would have thought the same had it been a country video with Travis Tritt and Michelle Obama.

 

Just an example, though, of the double standards our society allows. Things that attract media attention and things that don't. Etc, etc.

^^I actually think that the above had more to do with things the left wing can do to the right, but the right wing can't do to the left. Nonetheless, double standard.

 

My apologies if this hijacked the original thread.

From Quiet Riot.

Ma Mama were all crazy now.

 

That is what this country is doing to us, making us crazy with standards, political correctness, and broken promises.

imes it's a fine line. I've already given examples of where it's unacceptable.

 

 

So if Clay County came up to play Holmes and the Holmes fans dressed like Harry described and made a bunch of redneck or hillbilly chants would you email the Holmes administration?

So if Clay County came up to play Holmes and the Holmes fans dressed like Harry described and made a bunch of redneck or hillbilly chants would you email the Holmes administration?

 

I would probably chant cheaters/crooks in honor of Richie.

So if Clay County came up to play Holmes and the Holmes fans dressed like Harry described and made a bunch of redneck or hillbilly chants would you email the Holmes administration?

 

It's certainly a fair question and one I'd have to think about.

 

First thought is that it's not a socioeconomic situation like my Holmes/CCH example. It's not telling Americans they're not Americans so...

 

Where it would cross the line is if a student section made derisive cheers about either being poor or being unintelligent simply based on where they were from. That's different than saying something like "where's your tractor" or dressing up in overalls.

 

I went to Conner back in the day that Hebron was "way out in the country." Our rival called us "pig farmers" which didn't really bother us.

I would probably chant cheaters/crooks in honor of Richie.

 

 

"Where's my TV, Richie?"

I remember watching Bill O'Reiley a few years back, and he was talking about this double standard. I'm not really one that gets into politics that much. I mean, you are talking to a guy that watches Fox News as much as he watches Bill Maher, so I take a lot of it TIC.

 

But, O'Reiley was talking about an Eminem music video at the time that had a female Adult film star portraying Sara Palin in a very sultry manner. Eminem and some of his cronies (both white and black) were dancing around the girl being portrayed as Palin in the video, taking it about as far as you could go for what's allowed on regular programming. Essentially, they were making her out to be a two bit you know what.

 

So, Bill then said..(and, I'm paraphrasing here), "Now, what if that was a country music video for Travis Tritt and an African American woman portrayed as Michelle Obama in the same manner as Palin?"

 

Well, he essentially pointed out what everyone of you thought when you read that, the roof would blow off and the entire country (media in particular) would have erupted in a firestorm.

 

Frankly, I couldn't have cared less about the Eminem video. I thought it was exactly what it was made for; entertainment. I would have thought the same had it been a country video with Travis Tritt and Michelle Obama.

 

Just an example, though, of the double standards our society allows. Things that attract media attention and things that don't. Etc, etc.

 

I don’t think it’s a “left versus right” issue, but a “majority versus minority” issue and one that’s going to cause certain people to raise alarm when it’s the minority being denigrated.

 

I think you would have to ignore a lot of history and experience in this country to conclude these things are equal. There have been and continue to be some unfortunate ramifications of being a minority in this country, to put it politely. Despite the platitudes many people espouse about colorblindness or equality they just aren’t the reality. Stereotypes and beliefs about minorities have been used to justify some nasty treatment many people would rather pretend didn’t and don’t happen. And by definition, a minority doesn’t have too much power and are easily oppressed (as our history would indicate). So, yes, I think there is a considerable difference.