I've not seen the movie, and while that stat is incredibly interesting, it probably shouldn't be terribly surprising. I love the correlation between bizarre stats and how they are interwoven.

 

I agree, one can make stats say almost anything. But I suggest to read the book or watch this segment of the movie before passing judgement. There is a lot more background developed on this topic that I didn't take the time to post.

 

I think welfare should be a working program, not a stay-at-home program.

There is nothing inhumane about expecting a recipient to do something to earn the money.

100% agreed.

Just spitballing. Thinking out loud on the BGP platform. My thought process was thinking that there are people against abortion and welfare and I found it odd because it seems to me that more abortions would equal less welfare. And yes, I am aware that is flawed thinking. I'm just thinking out loud. Abortion is legal but I hear of less and less people having abortions. Truthfully when I was in college is when people I knew had abortions. I know of others who have had abortions not in college and some of them would have been on welfare if not for their abortions. The ones I know in college who had abortions are not on welfare.

That end wouldn't justify the means.

 

I don't know any people who are pro life who would be willing to compromise their convictions on that to justify lowering the welfare payout. For most pro lifers, it is more than a cerebral decision, it is a personal conviction that is rooted in their belief system like a thread in a fabric. It is so much more than picking and choosing what they think is "best", it is a product of them adhering to what they believe is "right". Taking a stance on social issues like welfare, etc., is a decision to be made with the mind, being pro life is more an affair of the heart.

I am a democrat and I am pro-choice and I am for welfare.

 

It seems that many non democrats are pro-life and against welfare. May I ask why that is? Seems like abortion would do a better job of eliminating welfare instead of just hoping the government(or your favorite candidate) would do away with it. The Morning After Pill thread got me thinking and that is why I am asking now. Is being pro-life and against welfare an oxymoron? I'm thinking yes.

 

I support welfare if there is a clear, accountable plan for employment. Indefinate dependence on government is unacceptable, unless you are limited by permanent, debilitating, disability. I oppose abortion rights, except under the conditions of medical threat to the mother, but believe this needs to be dealt with at the state, and not the federal level. Both positions are spiritually based. Extended dependence on government retards personal growth while denying a dependence on God. Abortion is taking of an innocent human life.

I'd like to see everyone get a freakin' job. And I sure don't want to hear that there's not one out there. Biggest crock of crap going. The unemployment rate would drop to half it's total in a week if able bodied/able minded people who work the system would work a job. What a boost in the economy that would be. Get a freakin' job. Then you can screw all you want, have all the babies you want and teach them to work.

 

I should be president.

I've never seen someone on welfare purchase a house they cannot afford, a problem that a lot of those NOT on welfare had about 5 years ago.

 

For those against welfare, live with a single, partially disabled parent for most of your life, who would not have access to welfare under your plan, and come back and talk to me. Tell me how great it was. I agree that there are people who sit and do nothing, but there are also those people who do the most they can and still cannot make enough money to provide and get buy. A lot of you people against welfare do not consider those families who have working parent(s) and use the money for food, bills, etc. When the shoe is on the other foot, it's a completely different story.

Even though abortion is likely the only answer to ridding the problem of welfare? Or even the use or distribution of the morning after pill to teenagers like in NYC? Unwed teen mothers are on a collision course for welfare and if I am not mistaken aren't teen mothers higher now than ever before or are they just more glorified and in-your-face now making it seem like they are more prevalent now?

 

Buddy, that's almost like saying the only way to end the vicious cycle of teenage mothers is to eliminate potential teenage mothers.

 

It would be fantastic if being pregnant as a teenager was more of a social stigma (not an outcast like the 40's) but not, like you said, celebrated.

Buddy, that's almost like saying the only way to end the vicious cycle of teenage mothers is to eliminate potential teenage mothers.

 

It would be fantastic if being pregnant as a teenager was more of a social stigma (not an outcast like the 40's) but not, like you said, celebrated.

 

I partially blame Teen Mom on MTV.

I support welfare if there is a clear, accountable plan for employment. Indefinate dependence on government is unacceptable, unless you are limited by permanent, debilitating, disability...Abortion is taking of an innocent human life.

 

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I am a democrat and I am pro-choice and I am for welfare.

 

It seems that many non democrats are pro-life and against welfare. May I ask why that is? Seems like abortion would do a better job of eliminating welfare instead of just hoping the government(or your favorite candidate) would do away with it. The Morning After Pill thread got me thinking and that is why I am asking now. Is being pro-life and against welfare an oxymoron? I'm thinking yes.

 

Since when does being pro-life mean you can't expect other adults to act like adults and help themselves? To quote Dennis Miller " I'm all for helping the helpless, but I'm tired of helping the clueless."

I am 100% in favor of the sanctity of life; Pro-life, condemn euthanasia and capital punishment, etc. I am also 100% in favor of welfare; and 100% in favor of welfare reform. The system needs a comprehensive overhaul to eliminate waste, abuse, incentivizing additional children while

on welfare, and discentives to seek employment. Some people that truly require the sustenance, don't get enough due to the flaws in our system; while others benefit longer and more than what they should.

 

Along the same lines, perhaps another topic; I am curious why many people that are Pro-abortion, tend to be anti-war or PETA supporters. I realize that seldom are people "pro-war", but I'll assume you understand my point.

I am 100% in favor of the sanctity of life; Pro-life, condemn euthanasia and capital punishment, etc. I am also 100% in favor of welfare; and 100% in favor of welfare reform. The system needs a comprehensive overhaul to eliminate waste, abuse, incentivizing additional children while

on welfare, and discentives to seek employment. Some people that truly require the sustenance, don't get enough due to the flaws in our system; while others benefit longer and more than what they should.

 

Along the same lines, perhaps another topic; I am curious why many people that are Pro-abortion, tend to be anti-war or PETA supporters. I realize that seldom are people "pro-war", but I'll assume you understand my point.

 

Simple a majority of Americans vote on party line talking points regardless of hypocrisy.

I've never seen someone on welfare purchase a house they cannot afford, a problem that a lot of those NOT on welfare had about 5 years ago.

 

For those against welfare, live with a single, partially disabled parent for most of your life, who would not have access to welfare under your plan, and come back and talk to me. Tell me how great it was. I agree that there are people who sit and do nothing, but there are also those people who do the most they can and still cannot make enough money to provide and get buy. A lot of you people against welfare do not consider those families who have working parent(s) and use the money for food, bills, etc. When the shoe is on the other foot, it's a completely different story.

Apples and anvils. Those that can't work should get help. Those that DON'T work should get a job. Call it over-simplifying or whatever, it's the core issue. There will never, in our lifetime (or the lifetime of our nation, IMO)be a period that we will see any reform of this issue. The numbers are too great, they get out and vote because they know the benefit of keeping someone in office who supports this problem and the politician who wants to be elected will be on board. The machine is in full effect.

 

Tell me where I'm wrong.

Simple a majority of Americans vote on party line talking points regardless of hypocrisy.

 

True. My Grandmother (may she rest in peace) lived through the Great Depression. She was a staunch Roosevelt Democrat and stated on many occasions that she voted straight Democrat because they "believed what she believed". She was also staunchly pro-life. It broke her heart when she realized that the last person she voted for to be President (Clinton) was pro-abortion but she voted for him anyway because he was a Democrat.

I was hoping to drill a little deeper than just the politics involved.