First, I don't think its the money, it's the home life. You don't have to have money to do good in school. It's the enviroment you grow up in. Now it may be easier to grow up with money, no doubt, but what I'm saying by the rich get richer is that ANY kid can come to HHS. Athleticism doesn't know money. If you can figure out a way to pay the tuition or in my case my mom worked two jobs to rent an apartment in Ft Thomas so my brother and I could attend HHS. Why did she do that, education! Kids of all levels of income go to HHS. Yes, they are known for the "well-off" folks, but there are just as many that aren't well-off. They do what it takes to get their kid into the schools so they have the tools they need when they graduate.

 

The point I was making is the rich get richer (or get more athletes to come there) because the education is so good. Money may have assisted in making the schools successful at some point, but HHS get players because of education. Again, I don't think we've ever had a kid come to HHS from Beechwood, NCC, Cov Cath, Brossart, St Henry and none of those schools have the football tradition as HHS. They are good, but not as good as HHS.

 

Mike Mitchell (NFL player), Mike Stowers and Nick Sheffield all transferred to Highlands from Covington Catholic. And... it was not for the education.

I don't know, was HHS the only school you could receive a quality education from? The fact of the matter is, some families don't have the resources to attend your private schools of tuition schools of choice no matter how much they want.

 

Sometimes circumstances do not allow for that to happen. Does that mean a student can't receive a quality education? No it doesn't, if a student has the support at home and willing to put forth the effort and do what it takes to succeed, they will be successful just as you any of us have been.

 

It gets old listening to some talk as if the school makes the difference if a child receives a quality education.

Mike Mitchell (NFL player), Mike Stowers and Nick Sheffield all transferred to Highlands from Covington Catholic. And... it was not for the education.

 

And why were they at CovCath to begin with? The Education or were they strongly urged to come there for football? Also, why did they leave?

And why were they at CovCath to begin with? The Education or were they strongly urged to come there for football? Also, why did they leave?

 

 

:popcorn:..........

And why were they at CovCath to begin with? The Education or were they strongly urged to come there for football? Also, why did they leave?

Ding, Ding, Ding...

 

To answer you questions... Football. Football. And, don't know exactly, but something related to Football.

 

They also chose Highlands when they left CovCath because of... Football.

Would it be possible for the closed enrollment schools to leave the KHSAA and form their own association? Would put schools competing here on a much more level playing field IMO.

 

It's great that kids go to open enrollment schools for academics, but it also brings a huge advantage on the playing field.

 

Closed enrollment districts should ban together and leave the KHSAA.

Mike Mitchell (NFL player), Mike Stowers and Nick Sheffield all transferred to Highlands from Covington Catholic. And... it was not for the education.

 

I said I don't think! I haven't kept up with every kid that has played at HHS over the last 20 years. And I can't even verify if you're correct or what they came for at this point.

 

So I'll bite...what was it for? And even if it was other than education, what percentage is that in the overall numbers. Less than 1%?? Everyone is quick to always point out the exceptions and forget about the norm!

 

The whole point of the message was that (sorry) very, very few EVER transfer from those schools. Is that better?

 

You seem to know a lot about HHS over the years. Why?

I don't know, was HHS the only school you could receive a quality education from? The fact of the matter is, some families don't have the resources to attend your private schools of tuition schools of choice no matter how much they want.

 

Sometimes circumstances do not allow for that to happen. Does that mean a student can't receive a quality education? No it doesn't, if a student has the support at home and willing to put forth the effort and do what it takes to succeed, they will be successful just as you any of us have been.

 

It gets old listening to some talk as if the school makes the difference if a child receives a quality education.

 

This is a whole other subjects, but I will say that I agree with you that home life is the majority of the reason kids can be successful in the classroom. But I also say that schools can have a huge influence on learning. Is every school equal in the enviroment they have? Does every school market educational success to the students and families the same way. Does every school put forth same effort to energize the kids to learn or actually make it "cool" to be a good student. Are all principals and superintendants the same and have the same ideas? It's a lot easier to learn at some schools rather than others, period.

 

Yes, the day a child is born, they have the exact same opportinities to learn, if you take away all other variables. However, you cannot overlook the school system as one of those variables as life goes on. Theres a lot of money in the Ryle district, why don't they compare to these other schools in education? What about Dixie?

Ding, Ding, Ding...

 

To answer you questions... Football. Football. And, don't know exactly, but something related to Football.

 

They also chose Highlands when they left CovCath because of... Football.

 

So you're saying that they left Cov Cath to go to HHS? If it was strickly a football decision, then why didn't they come to HHS from the beginning??? Or heck, why didn't they go to Moeller or Elder??

Would it be possible for the closed enrollment schools to leave the KHSAA and form their own association? Would put schools competing here on a much more level playing field IMO.

 

It's great that kids go to open enrollment schools for academics, but it also brings a huge advantage on the playing field.

 

Closed enrollment districts should ban together and leave the KHSAA.

 

Any idea how many there are state wide?

Would it be possible for the closed enrollment schools to leave the KHSAA and form their own association? Would put schools competing here on a much more level playing field IMO.

 

It's great that kids go to open enrollment schools for academics, but it also brings a huge advantage on the playing field.

 

Closed enrollment districts should ban together and leave the KHSAA.

 

I'm not denying that it makes it an unfair advantage when you are competing within the same class. My arguement to all of this stuff is for people to quit pointing fingers and make your own program better.

 

There is no doubt that HHS was better than Boone, Ryle, SK, CC (which we never hear any complaining from), Conner and Cooper (which I won't say is a no doubter). But even if HHS has open enrollment, they still have nowhere near the kids that these other schools do. HHS has (i think) 8 tuition students in there program out of 140 kids. Which means we have 8 kids that play football at HHS because of open enrollment. They are not all in the same class and are spread out over frosh through seniors. But let's pretend they all contributed in some way to the program. If you look at the schools listed above, they have hundreds of more boys in their system without open enrollment. Why is HHS so much better than them on a consistant basis? Open enrollment??? Give me a break! It's an over exaggerated excuse! Are you telling me that even with their 8 tranfer students, there aren't the same amount of pure athletes at those much bigger schools. Remember, we aren't talking about percenatges, we are talking about number of athletes. Are you telling me that HHS top 50 athletes our of 400 boys (without any training, coaching or support) are that much better that the top 50 athletes out of 600-700 boys at the other schools. I say you're crazy. There are just as good of atheletes in the halls of those schools as there are at HHS, even with open enrollment. Open enrollment is an excuse. If we were comparing teams within the same class, I'd be more willing to understand it. But you're talking about teams in classes 2-4 levels below you! I bet Dale wishes he had that many kids to choose from!

Would it be possible for the closed enrollment schools to leave the KHSAA and form their own association? Would put schools competing here on a much more level playing field IMO.

 

It's great that kids go to open enrollment schools for academics, but it also brings a huge advantage on the playing field.

 

Closed enrollment districts should ban together and leave the KHSAA.

 

Any idea how many there are state wide?

 

That was the first question that came to my mind 75. I am thinking it will be a pretty small group of schools if it is the closed enrollment schools only.

Mike Mitchell (NFL player), Mike Stowers and Nick Sheffield all transferred to Highlands from Covington Catholic. And... it was not for the education.

 

This is a whole other subjects, but I will say that I agree with you that home life is the majority of the reason kids can be successful in the classroom. But I also say that schools can have a huge influence on learning. Is every school equal in the enviroment they have? Does every school market educational success to the students and families the same way. Does every school put forth same effort to energize the kids to learn or actually make it "cool" to be a good student. Are all principals and superintendants the same and have the same ideas? It's a lot easier to learn at some schools rather than others, period.

 

Yes, the day a child is born, they have the exact same opportinities to learn, if you take away all other variables. However, you cannot overlook the school system as one of those variables as life goes on. Theres a lot of money in the Ryle district, why don't they compare to these other schools in education? What about Dixie?

 

Are you referring to the school as a whole, or individual students?

I'm not denying that it makes it an unfair advantage when you are competing within the same class. My arguement to all of this stuff is for people to quit pointing fingers and make your own program better.

 

There is no doubt that HHS was better than Boone, Ryle, SK, CC (which we never hear any complaining from), Conner and Cooper (which I won't say is a no doubter). But even if HHS has open enrollment, they still have nowhere near the kids that these other schools do. HHS has (i think) 8 tuition students in there program out of 140 kids. Which means we have 8 kids that play football at HHS because of open enrollment. They are not all in the same class and are spread out over frosh through seniors. But let's pretend they all contributed in some way to the program. If you look at the schools listed above, they have hundreds of more boys in their system without open enrollment. Why is HHS so much better than them on a consistant basis? Open enrollment??? Give me a break! It's an over exaggerated excuse! Are you telling me that even with their 8 tranfer students, there aren't the same amount of pure athletes at those much bigger schools. Remember, we aren't talking about percenatges, we are talking about number of athletes. Are you telling me that HHS top 50 athletes our of 400 boys (without any training, coaching or support) are that much better that the top 50 athletes out of 600-700 boys at the other schools. I say you're crazy. There are just as good of atheletes in the halls of those schools as there are at HHS, even with open enrollment. Open enrollment is an excuse. If we were comparing teams within the same class, I'd be more willing to understand it. But you're talking about teams in classes 2-4 levels below you! I bet Dale wishes he had that many kids to choose from!

 

Good point!

With Cooper starting their feeder program, i'll give them the edge over Boone and Conner. The BCPWFL still needs to figure out how things should be ran in order to make the county successful in a whole. Ryle seems to have a strong feeder program as well.

 

Cooper will play in the BCPWFL next year, along with Walton-Verona's 1st thru 5th grade teams.

 

Conner and Boone have 3 7th and 8th grade teams feeding into their schools. Cooper will, as it looks now, will have 1 team feeding their high school.

 

Unfortunately the BCPWFL kind of screwed up with that. I know for a fact around 5-6 years ago it was brought up to the pee wee league to have their Junior and Senior division teams made up of kids going to certain high schools. For instance Boone would have a team in each division represented by kids who would be going to Boone, Conner the same, Cooper the same, and Ryle the same. They refused to do it which was the wrong decision if you ask me. So Ryle went out and got their own Jr and Sr teams and a year later Cooper did the same. I'm sure before too long either the BCPWFL will change it's stance or Boone and Conner may do the same.

 

You kind of have your facts straight. It was already being discussed in the league before it was brought up from someone from outside the league. When Cooper opened up it made it simpler to do because that made 4 high schools and 8 Senior teams, so two per school. But you could not do it right away because their was not enough players for Cooper to have two teams at first. So, when the HC of a team came to one meeting at the BCPWFL to tell them how to run their league, and that if they do not set it up like he wants that he was going to start his own team, lets just say that did not go over well. It was the first time he had been to anything to do with the league in years. So, a lot of people who volunteer their time at the league and have for years were very angry because he had zero to do with the league for years.

 

Like I said aligning teams by high school was already being discussed and it was implemented fully the following year. The first year the players moving up were aligned with the school they will attend in high school. It took two full season to have the teams all properly aligned.

 

This past year the league was approached about their teams they started to come back and play in the league.

 

 

 

 

 

Someone from the BCPWFL told me that Thompson was the one coach who objected to the true feeder system, again this is second hand knowledge, but if that is the case, he has been hurt by that decision more than any other program, IMO.

 

 

Thompson never objected to it.