But it was in the battlegrounds where the Obama campaign's ads on Romney were very effective and the Democratic ground game was massively superior.

Not disagreeing, but many act like Romney received 10% of the vote yesterday. It is as divided as ever.

Not disagreeing, but many act like Romney received 10% of the vote yesterday. It is as divided as ever.

 

Divided but slipping. The Republicans just lost a presidential election where they won independent voters by several points. They are close to maxed out on their share of the white vote, which is shrinking as a portion of the electorate anyway. The demographic shift will eventually doom them.

Matt Taibbi: Mitt Romney Would Have Won If Republicans 'Were Self-Aware At All'

 

This article contains some of the numbers on how overwhelmingly Obama won among the female/black/hispanic sectors. I believe the comments about lack of awareness of the world around them ring true. Even after the loss on Tuesday, I see and hear Republicans claiming some victory in keeping the House, but they lost seats in the House also.

I started a thread in August that deals with the changing demographics of the country and the problem that has caused for the Rs.

 

IMO electing a candidate that plays to the far right / white side of the party is a mistake.

 

President Obama was a sitting duck for a strong R candidate who could appeal to the moderates and dark-skinned Americans.

 

I'm looking for logic that says I'm wrong.

 

I think the fact are dead on without adding race to it. If you tell me the race part is important, then you are admitting that race is a most important factor for minorities whereas it is not as much for whites.

Good article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-gops-demographic-excuse.html?ref=rossdouthat&_r=1&

 

Key points: No doubt a more moderate tone on immigration would help Republicans. But the idea of amnesty as a Latino-winning electoral silver bullet is a fantasy[...]What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts."

 

I generally agree. The demographic results of the election weren't the result of hard-line immigration stances held by many Republicans. While Douthat didn't go into many of the social views that have helped the Republican party become so, well, white (and those are ample), I think he's right to implore them to expand their economic message. Republicans would be remiss to keep on with the "makers versus takers" canard and should focus on regaining their credibility with the middle class and working poor as well as regaining credibility with fiscal discipline - all things that appeal to wider swaths of voters that Republicans, despite their rhetoric, simply lack credibility on.

I think the fact are dead on without adding race to it. If you tell me the race part is important, then you are admitting that race is a most important factor for minorities whereas it is not as much for whites.

 

Incorrect. The R party played the far right wing ie 99% white. They ignored the fact that Latinos are growing in number and force. How can I be talking race when I'm talking Latinos in a race with a white guy and a biracial guy?

Conservative David Frum:

 

The Mitt Romney who began seeking the presidency in the early 2000s—the savior of the 2002 Olympics, the author of Romneycare, the man who’d redirected Boston’s “Big Dig”—was exactly the candidate the Republican Party needed by 2012: competent, managerial, pragmatic. Unfortunately, in the interval, Romney had been refashioned into something very different—to the point where nobody knew really what he was; to the point where even he may no longer have known.

 

David Frum: How the GOP Got Stuck in the Past - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

True, it hasn't been very many years since we were hearing discussions about if the Democratic party would ever be relevant again. It seems to come up every 8 years or so about one party or the other.

 

That's true...but what doesn't go away is the layering after layering of entitlements. When all is said and done, that and the deficit threatens to be our undoing.

Incorrect. The R party played the far right wing ie 99% white. They ignored the fact that Latinos are growing in number and force. How can I be talking race when I'm talking Latinos in a race with a white guy and a biracial guy?

 

I'm sorry, I haven't figured out the link in your statements yet.

 

That aside...I agree the far right part of the party is the part that cost them the election. The Latinos culturally are generally conservative, but they are scared of the republicans right now because of Arizona and Alabama and the republicans did not do enough to restore their trust.

 

We have a two-party system, and one of the parties is broken and doesn't know how to win a national election. The Dems were there a while back. IMO the republicans need to clean house and get some people who have a clue. The fact that they can't win an election is a betrayal to more moderately placed conservatives.

I think the fact are dead on without adding race to it. If you tell me the race part is important, then you are admitting that race is a most important factor for minorities whereas it is not as much for whites.

 

Race is never important when you have the majority. Once the majority is gone race becomes huge. As to this election, Clyde nails it. Had the republicans been able to trot out a candidate that can appeal to the minorities who don't use race to cast a vote(yes, tons of us exist) then who knows what may have happened.

Race is never important when you have the majority. Once the majority is gone race becomes huge. As to this election, Clyde nails it. Had the republicans been able to trot out a candidate that can appeal to the minorities who don't use race to cast a vote(yes, tons of us exist) then who knows what may have happened.

 

I agree with Clyde that the Republicans again blew it (and with more than minorities). And, it is good to know that minorities will keep an open mind.

Glad to see some Republicans getting on Romney about his comments the other day. Doubling down, tripling down, hard to keep up with him.

I agree with Clyde that the Republicans again blew it (and with more than minorities). And, it is good to know that minorities will keep an open mind.

 

Come on!

Come on!

 

Elaborate?