What do yo mean? I haven't said one time that the kid who stole would go unpunished.

 

Again, if the kid steals from a teammate and gets a sport taken away from him, what crime will he commit when you cut him loose because of a mistake? Just not my style. Use the sport you coach to rehabilitate the kid into a productive member of society. Here are two questions to ask yourself. 1 - Does the sport need the kid? 2 - Does the kid need the sport?

 

What I mean is: Again, what about the victim? What are you telling the victim and his family(not to mention the rest of the team) when the punishment is not starting, or sitting the bench a few games, or running some extra suicides? Stealing is wrong. Stealing from a fellow student or teammate is abhorrent.

 

I think the newspapers are full of stories about talented collegiate and professional athletes who were probably given many second chances. High school sports is a privilege, not a right.

 

Again, if the kid steals from a teammate and gets a sport taken away from him, what crime will he commit when you cut him loose because of a mistake?

 

So you can't hold people accountable or show them the consequences of their actions, because it might make them act worse later? Really?

 

Just not my style.

 

Your style seems to be that of an enabler who wants to win more games.

Not willing to give a teenager a second chance. YIKES!

 

It most certainly can, and that young person could teach the entire team many valuable life lessons.

 

We haven't been informed what number chance this is. I also stand by my belief that if he stole something worth 100 bucks from a teammate then this isn't his first time stealing from his teammates.

 

Again, is that what you would tell your son, the victim? Give him another chance, son. He didn't know what he was doing when he took that 100 bucks from you.

We haven't been informed what number chance this is. I also stand by my belief that if he stole something worth 100 bucks from a teammate then this isn't his first time stealing from his teammates.

 

Again, is that what you would tell your son, the victim? Give him another chance, son. He didn't know what he was doing when he took that 100 bucks from you.

 

Well said.

I kick him off the team, do everything in my power to get the administration to suspend the student and I call the authorities and do everything I can to make sure they get the harshest punishment possible by way of the legal system.

 

There is no place in high school sports for people you can't trust.

What I mean is: Again, what about the victim? What are you telling the victim and his family(not to mention the rest of the team) when the punishment is not starting, or sitting the bench a few games, or running some extra suicides? Stealing is wrong. Stealing from a fellow student or teammate is abhorrent.

 

I think the newspapers are full of stories about talented collegiate and professional athletes who were probably given many second chances. High school sports is a privilege, not a right.

 

 

 

So you can't hold people accountable or show them the consequences of their actions, because it might make them act worse later? Really?

 

 

 

Your style seems to be that of an enabler who wants to win more games.

 

 

We haven't been informed what number chance this is. I also stand by my belief that if he stole something worth 100 bucks from a teammate then this isn't his first time stealing from his teammates.

 

Again, is that what you would tell your son, the victim? Give him another chance, son. He didn't know what he was doing when he took that 100 bucks from you.

 

Shamrock fan you know nothing about me. If you think coaching is only about wins and losses than there's no reason to debate. You can't, and likely never will, get it. You view a second chance as a "get out of jail free" card. I view a second chance as a way for those that can make an impact to get involved so the kid has a fighting chance once high school is over. If after a second chance you realize the kid is not willing to be helped, then the sport doesn't need him and he doesn't need the sport.

 

It's pretty safe to say there are an infinite number of scenario's that would determine if the kid remains on the team or not. For instance PP, how many issue's has this kid had in the past. However, that is why I said "Second Chance". Not 3rd, 4th or 5th.

 

To do right by the kid and the team, you put together a punishment that allows the kid to make the decision for himself. IF you want to be a part of this team you will do this conditioning, sit this many games, visit someone in jail...etc, etc. At that point if the young man doesn't except his punishment he no longer needs the sport and the sport no longer needs him.

 

Additionally PP, you have no idea what my kids have gone through. They know there is evil in all of us. They understand that a person can make a bad decision but not be a bad person. They would want that person to get help. As a matter of fact, they DO want those people to get help. Were they upset, absolutely. Did they understand how much hurt that person caused and know they never want to inflict that pain onto someone else, you bet.

Also, any good educator on the planet will tell you that if you could keep a kid in a program year round, they would love it. Most students do better in class when they are in season for extracurricular's.

 

And, of course you contact the school administrator's and police. That's policy. No one that wants to keep their job would sweep it under the rug to win a game. It would be posted on here before the end of the day.

Shamrock fan you know nothing about me. If you think coaching is only about wins and losses than there's no reason to debate. You can't, and likely never will, get it. You view a second chance as a "get out of jail free" card. I view a second chance as a way for those that can make an impact to get involved so the kid has a fighting chance once high school is over. If after a second chance you realize the kid is not willing to be helped, then the sport doesn't need him and he doesn't need the sport.

 

It's pretty safe to say there are an infinite number of scenario's that would determine if the kid remains on the team or not. For instance PP, how many issue's has this kid had in the past. However, that is why I said "Second Chance". Not 3rd, 4th or 5th.

 

To do right by the kid and the team, you put together a punishment that allows the kid to make the decision for himself. IF you want to be a part of this team you will do this conditioning, sit this many games, visit someone in jail...etc, etc. At that point if the young man doesn't except his punishment he no longer needs the sport and the sport no longer needs him.

 

Additionally PP, you have no idea what my kids have gone through. They know there is evil in all of us. They understand that a person can make a bad decision but not be a bad person. They would want that person to get help. As a matter of fact, they DO want those people to get help. Were they upset, absolutely. Did they understand how much hurt that person caused and know they never want to inflict that pain onto someone else, you bet.

 

 

Everyone's kids are different. My kids would want that kid to get help but my kids wouldn't want that kid that stole from them on their team any longer and I would support their decision 100%.

Everyone's kids are different. My kids would want that kid to get help but my kids wouldn't want that kid that stole from them on their team any longer and I would support their decision 100%.

 

Which is why the adult's make the decisions and you don't take a vote.

 

Heck, we took a vote after one kid got in trouble when I played and everyone wanted him on the team because they knew we couldn't win without him.

You keep the kid on the team, suspend them for a few games or whatever, give them a second chance, and they do it again? IMO, that's no longer on the kid. That's on you, the coach, and you deserve to be fired. Teammates will stop trusting one another, and there will be tension in the lockerroom. Now you've done everyone else on the team a disservice.

For argument's sake lets assume the player admitted his guilt.

 

For argument's sake, does he admit his guilt himself or because someone confronts him about it?

Again my take is that kids that steal, more times than not, steal small stuff first. Maybe a candy bar, a soft drink and when they don't get caught move up to bigger things to steal. I am only guessing but I hardly think a kid steals a fellow teammates $100.00 without doing some other stealing first!

 

Maybe just maybe if this were a grade school kid then different story but a kid in HS knows or should know the difference in right and wrong!

You keep the kid on the team, suspend them for a few games or whatever, give them a second chance, and they do it again? IMO, that's no longer on the kid. That's on you, the coach, and you deserve to be fired. Teammates will stop trusting one another, and there will be tension in the lockerroom. Now you've done everyone else on the team a disservice.

 

You do realize that whether he is on the team or off the team he can steal stuff from someone on the team, right? You're keeping him hoping he changes. He won't need a client list because there are plenty of options if he is going to continue to do it.

 

And, your statement above is ridiculous. First, you act like the punishment will be a slap on the wrist when that is not the case. Second, no coach is getting fired because a kid steals stuff. Beyond ridiculous.

You do realize that whether he is on the team or off the team he can steal stuff from someone on the team, right? You're keeping him hoping he changes. He won't need a client list because there are plenty of options if he is going to continue to do it.

 

And, your statement above is ridiculous. First, you act like the punishment will be a slap on the wrist when that is not the case. Second, no coach is getting fired because a kid steals stuff. Beyond ridiculous.

 

Of course he can still steal stuff from them, but as a coach, you're job is also to protect your players. Allowing that person to stay on the team is putting them in harm's way IMO. And from the sounds of it, the punishment would be a slap on the wrist. Also, I never said that it would happen, but IMO it should. I wouldn't want to play for a coach that didn't take thiefery seriously. Anything short of dismissal is way too leinent.

Which is why the adult's make the decisions and you don't take a vote.

 

Heck, we took a vote after one kid got in trouble when I played and everyone wanted him on the team because they knew we couldn't win without him.

 

That just seems to create a poisonous environment IMO. And getting in trouble and stealing from teammates are two different things to me. It's one thing to get busted selling pot and another thing to steal from teammates IMO. And maybe it's because when I played sports I was the glue guy. The guy who would sacrifice mind, body and soul for my team. I can't make that sacrifice for someone who would intentionally hurt a teammate. Even if we couldn't win without him. I'd rather prove we don't need the thief than win with him and brand new locks on our lockers.

Of course he can still steal stuff from them, but as a coach, you're job is also to protect your players. Allowing that person to stay on the team is putting them in harm's way IMO. And from the sounds of it, the punishment would be a slap on the wrist. Also, I never said that it would happen, but IMO it should. I wouldn't want to play for a coach that didn't take thiefery seriously. Anything short of dismissal is way too leinent.

 

So I say, "First, you act like the punishment will be a slap on the wrist when that is not the case." Then you say, " And from the sounds of it, the punishment would be a slap on the wrist." Brilliant!