Sorry to keep asking a question that I can't get answered, but once again, what about the victim?

 

What are you telling the person who had something stolen when you don't seriously punish the thief? What are you telling them about their worth? What are you telling them about their place on the team? What about their parents, who maybe worked hard to provide the item that was stolen?

 

Why will no one address this question? Why focus on turning the perpetrator into the victim?

 

Sorry, but I had to ask one more time.

 

Who said that the thief would not be seriously punished?

 

What would I teach the victim? That people, particularly kids, make mistakes and that they can be forgiven, rather than tossed aside. Sometimes second chances can change who a person is, particularly a kid.

 

Now that I've answered your question, would you answer mine? If the thief were your son or daughter and stole from a sibling, would you kick him/her out of the family? If not, and a team is a family, what is the difference?

Who said that the thief would not be seriously punished?

 

What would I teach the victim? That people, particularly kids, make mistakes and that they can be forgiven, rather than tossed aside. Sometimes second chances can change who a person is, particularly a kid.

 

I didn't ask what you would "teach" the victim. My point was that if the thief remains on the team, the "message" given to the victim of the theft is not a good one.

 

Now that I've answered your question, would you answer mine? If the thief were your son or daughter and stole from a sibling, would you kick him/her out of the family? If not, and a team is a family, what is the difference?

 

As to your question, if my child stole something from his or her sibling I would punish them appropriately. Would I kick them out of the family? Obviously not. The difference? For all the talk about sports teams being "families", technically, they're not actually even remotely the same as legal families. If I kicked my minor child out, Social Services and law enforcement might have something to say about it also. So it's really not a good analogy.

 

I appreciate you for answering.

I didn't ask what you would "teach" the victim. My point was that if the thief remains on the team, the "message" given to the victim of the theft is not a good one.

 

 

 

As to your question, if my child stole something from his or her sibling I would punish them appropriately. Would I kick them out of the family? Obviously not. The difference? For all the talk about sports teams being "families", technically, they're not actually even remotely the same as legal families. If I kicked my minor child out, Social Services and law enforcement might have something to say about it also. So it's really not a good analogy.

 

I appreciate you for answering.

 

Plain and simple, kicking the kid off the team is not the only way to punish the kid. Of course school and the police will be involved so some part of the punishment will be out of the coaches hands. However, if you can't be creative enough to punish the kid severely while keeping him in a positive environment then you shouldn't be coaching.

Plain and simple, kicking the kid off the team is not the only way to punish the kid. Of course school and the police will be involved so some part of the punishment will be out of the coaches hands. However, if you can't be creative enough to punish the kid severely while keeping him in a positive environment then you shouldn't be coaching.

 

I get your point but what about the other kids on the team that dont want a theif around them?

I get your point but what about the other kids on the team that dont want a theif around them?

 

If the kid is still in the school then they are still around him. There are all kinds of disagreements on a team and quite a few stemming from illegal activity. Drinking, smoking weed...etc. There are kids that don't do/like that stuff and those that do. Miraculously they have all figured out a way to coexist on the field/court.

 

Heck, it's a great life lesson. Everytime someone does something wrong they will not be taken away from you because you don't want them around. Make wise choices whether that's in decision making of associates.

 

What do you do when kids don't want to be around the kid that isn't as talented, doesn't have a lot of money, is mentally challenged...etc?

If the kid is still in the school then they are still around him. There are all kinds of disagreements on a team and quite a few stemming from illegal activity. Drinking, smoking weed...etc. There are kids that don't do/like that stuff and those that do. Miraculously they have all figured out a way to coexist on the field/court.

 

Heck, it's a great life lesson. Everytime someone does something wrong they will not be taken away from you because you don't want them around. Make wise choices whether that's in decision making of associates.

 

What do you do when kids don't want to be around the kid that isn't as talented, doesn't have a lot of money, is mentally challenged...etc?

 

Huge differenece, the above are not crimminal acts.

Huge differenece, the above are not crimminal acts.

 

And you avoided the part about drinking and smoking weed...

I didn't ask what you would "teach" the victim. My point was that if the thief remains on the team, the "message" given to the victim of the theft is not a good one.

 

 

 

As to your question, if my child stole something from his or her sibling I would punish them appropriately. Would I kick them out of the family? Obviously not. The difference? For all the talk about sports teams being "families", technically, they're not actually even remotely the same as legal families. If I kicked my minor child out, Social Services and law enforcement might have something to say about it also. So it's really not a good analogy.

 

I appreciate you for answering.

 

You asked me "what about the victim"? I replied as to what the victim could gain from the experience. He/she wouldnt' be "forgotten" and I certainly wouldn't make light of his/her situation. But I don't have to kick the kid off the team to apply the appropriate punishment, teach a lesson and maybe (the most important part) put him/her back on the right track.

And you avoided the part about drinking and smoking weed...

 

If it happens on school property (and caught) it isnt an issue they would be removed by the school and it is out of the coaches hands.

If it happens on school property (and caught) it isnt an issue they would be removed by the school and it is out of the coaches hands.

 

Semantics. The kids either don't mind being around someone that steals or they do. The same way they don't mind being around kids that smoke weed or drink or they do. Where any of it takes place only has relevance because the school has rules they must abide by.

Semantics. The kids either don't mind being around someone that steals or they do. The same way they don't mind being around kids that smoke weed or drink or they do. Where any of it takes place only has relevance because the school has rules they must abide by.

 

Then I guess I miss the total point of the thread. A kid stole something from a school lockeroom right?

Then I guess I miss the total point of the thread. A kid stole something from a school lockeroom right?

 

And he's asking what you would do as coach, not school board member writing the policy or principal enforcing the rule.

And he's asking what you would do as coach, not school board member writing the policy or principal enforcing the rule.

 

answered that in post 79

Plain and simple, kicking the kid off the team is not the only way to punish the kid. Of course school and the police will be involved so some part of the punishment will be out of the coaches hands. However, if you can't be creative enough to punish the kid severely while keeping him in a positive environment then you shouldn't be coaching.

 

OMG, your repsonse is so irrelevant to my question.

 

Okay, so as to all of your comments, let me ask you this: What exactly would you kick someone off the team for? Stealing is apparently not enough, so what would someone have to do?

 

Still think you're an enabler.

Everyone says they will kick the kid off of the team. We as coaches have a responsibility to this kid and to the team as well. This is an opportunity to teach a life lesson and it should be done. I would first involve the parents and get their input on the discipline to be taken, grill the kid on why he or she has stolen the money or item, the money or item returned to the player stolen from, the kid would be suspended for at least a month and would have to volunteer for some type of charity of the coaches and parents choice, apologize to the team and the team to vote on wether to except the kid back or not. The vote would not occur until after the community service is performed. If refusal to adhere to the terms then it would be a dismisal from the team.