So I say, "First, you act like the punishment will be a slap on the wrist when that is not the case." Then you say, " And from the sounds of it, the punishment would be a slap on the wrist." Brilliant!

 

Anything short of dismissal is a slap on the wrist in this case. Since you've already said that wouldn't be an option, yes, your punishment would be a slap on the wrist.

That just seems to create a poisonous environment IMO. And getting in trouble and stealing from teammates are two different things to me. It's one thing to get busted selling pot and another thing to steal from teammates IMO. And maybe it's because when I played sports I was the glue guy. The guy who would sacrifice mind, body and soul for my team. I can't make that sacrifice for someone who would intentionally hurt a teammate. Even if we couldn't win without him. I'd rather prove we don't need the thief than win with him and brand new locks on our lockers.

 

If the coach allows it to be, it does. You don't think there are problems with kids on every team? It's on the coach to be the adult and sort these things out. You don't think there are other issues between teammates that need to be figured out on every team with help from the coach. Hell, most teams would be fighting each other more than the other team if it wasn't for the coach getting involved. This is exactly why it is on the coach to set the tone for the team.

 

I'll flip the script. Imagine if your kid stole something from someone else and got kicked off the team. You see the path he's going down and know that it's a crucial moment in his life. He gets out of school at 3:00 and you are at work until 5:00. Wouldn't you rather know your kid is at practice than wondering where he is, who he is hanging around with and what he is doing for those two hours?

Anything short of dismissal is a slap on the wrist in this case. Since you've already said that wouldn't be an option, yes, your punishment would be a slap on the wrist.

 

There are a TON of coaches that I know that disagree with you, wholeheartedly.

There are a TON of coaches that I know that disagree with you, wholeheartedly.

 

That's cool. I'm not looking for your agreement. :lol:

I'll flip the script. Imagine if your kid stole something from someone else and got kicked off the team. You see the path he's going down and know that it's a crucial moment in his life. He gets out of school at 3:00 and you are at work until 5:00. Wouldn't you rather know your kid is at practice than wondering where he is, who he is hanging around with and what he is doing for those two hours?

 

Wouldn't be an issue. If my kid would do something like that, I'd kick him off the team myself, and he'd be either working or helping out with some volunteer organization every day after school. He'd have zero time away from supervision for a very long time.

That just seems to create a poisonous environment IMO. And getting in trouble and stealing from teammates are two different things to me. It's one thing to get busted selling pot and another thing to steal from teammates IMO. And maybe it's because when I played sports I was the glue guy. The guy who would sacrifice mind, body and soul for my team. I can't make that sacrifice for someone who would intentionally hurt a teammate. Even if we couldn't win without him. I'd rather prove we don't need the thief than win with him and brand new locks on our lockers.

 

This has happened in our program. The kid was kicked off from the team, but only for one year. There were conditions set for reconciliation for the kid to return. I don't think team banishment should be forever.

 

I also think that there are mitigating circumstances. SK has a lot of kids on Free and Reduced Lunch, as does Boone. For many kids , these are the only meals they are getting. I have seen theft motivated by hunger, or, even to feed a sibling. I realize the crowd here on BGP can't relate to that kind of poverty, but within that context, do you permanently dismiss the transgressor?

Wouldn't be an issue. If my kid would do something like that, I'd kick him off the team myself, and he'd be either working or helping out with some volunteer organization every day after school. He'd have zero time away from supervision for a very long time.

 

How would he get to work, the volunteer organizations...etc. while you are working for 2 more hours? More importantly, what if the kid doesn't have a parent like you that is involved (Which is the case more often than not)? There are a ton of scenarios and the last resort should be kicking the kid to the curb.

 

I challenge you to find a HS coach that cares that little about the kids. If you do, I'd say he's a former HS coach.

This has happened in our program. The kid was kicked off from the team, but only for one year. There were conditions set for reconciliation for the kid to return. I don't think team banishment should be forever.

 

I also think that there are mitigating circumstances. SK has a lot of kids on Free and Reduced Lunch, as does Boone. For many kids , these are the only meals they are getting. I have seen theft motivated by hunger, or, even to feed a sibling. I realize the crowd here on BGP can't relate to that kind of poverty, but within that context, do you permanently dismiss the transgressor?

 

I'd be open minded depending on the circumstances. In this situation we are dealing with the details G has provided and my answers and replies are based off of that. Had G said the kid stole 100 bucks to feed his little brother and sister then of course those are circumstances that warrant some more thought before a decision on punishment was made. In the situations I have always been around involving thefts from locker rooms we are talking cash, phones and iPods strictly for entertainment so my thought process is there.

If the coach allows it to be, it does. You don't think there are problems with kids on every team? It's on the coach to be the adult and sort these things out. You don't think there are other issues between teammates that need to be figured out on every team with help from the coach. Hell, most teams would be fighting each other more than the other team if it wasn't for the coach getting involved. This is exactly why it is on the coach to set the tone for the team.

 

I'll flip the script. Imagine if your kid stole something from someone else and got kicked off the team. You see the path he's going down and know that it's a crucial moment in his life. He gets out of school at 3:00 and you are at work until 5:00. Wouldn't you rather know your kid is at practice than wondering where he is, who he is hanging around with and what he is doing for those two hours?

 

 

Bad example. I could pick up my kid and bring him back to work with me for the last two hours of work.

 

And no, my kid wouldn't be allowed on that team because I said so and he would be accounted for at all times.

Bad example. I could pick up my kid and bring him back to work with me for the last two hours of work.

 

And no, my kid wouldn't be allowed on that team because I said so and he would be accounted for at all times.

 

What about the other example? As I said, quite a few don't have parents like you.

 

And if it was your kid, I'd punch you in the mouth.

For argument's sake, does he admit his guilt himself or because someone confronts him about it?

 

For argument's sake, assume he got caught because he was wearing the stolen item(s).

Guru, the way that you have provided nebulous direction on this discussion, it appears as though you're speaking metamorphically about a theft. What more can you add?

 

I can add I think you are a pretty smart cookie and I strongly disagree with what I perceive the punishment to be and I wanted some opinions from informed people that are not afraid to speak their mind.

What about the other example? As I said, quite a few don't have parents like you.

 

And if it was your kid, I'd punch you in the mouth.

 

 

:lol: :lol:

 

I think he wishes he could sometimes.

 

Which other example?

For argument's sake, assume he got caught because he was wearing the stolen item(s).

 

Wow. That's bold.

 

 

Yeah, kick him off. I don't know how a kid like that can be trusted anymore.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

I think he wishes he could sometimes.

 

Which other example?

 

A kid with little, to none, parental guidance/support.