OMG, your repsonse is so irrelevant to my question.

 

Okay, so as to all of your comments, let me ask you this: What exactly would you kick someone off the team for? Stealing is apparently not enough, so what would someone have to do?

 

Still think you're an enabler.

 

Don't care what you think. Coaches aren't parents. A coaches job is to create a positive environment and experience. Parents, parent.

 

Sorry, I've never coached a team wondering what I can kick a kid off the team for. It's a life lesson for all involved.

As always with situations the school administration is involved. The punishment the coach comes up with would be discussed with the AD and if he or she agrees the you move forward, however the AD may say remove the palyer from the team. We do report these type of incidents as well as issues with parents and fans if they occur.

Everyone says they will kick the kid off of the team. We as coaches have a responsibility to this kid and to the team as well. This is an opportunity to teach a life lesson and it should be done. I would first involve the parents and get their input on the discipline to be taken' date=' grill the kid on why he or she has stolen the money or item, the money or item returned to the player stolen from, the kid would be suspended for at least a month and would have to volunteer for some type of charity of the coaches and parents choice, apologize to the team and the team to vote on wether to except the kid back or not. The vote would not occur until after the community service is performed. If refusal to adhere to the terms then it would be a dismisal from the team.[/quote']

 

Don't add common sense to this, we'll have none of that.

Just replying to the question. Alot of the people have never had a situation when a kid on the team has done something, a punishment is coming and they are sitting in front of you crying and begging for you and their team not to kick them off or you are told by the powers that be that you can not kick them off the team.

Just replying to the question. Alot of the people have never had a situation when a kid on the team has done something, a punishment is coming and they are sitting in front of you crying and begging for you and their team not to kick them off or you are told by the powers that be that you can not kick them off the team.

 

I'm with you. There are simply too many variables to have an answer but, IMO, the job of a coach is to do all they can for ALL of the student-athletes involved.

OK Ru, I've been following this thread for 2 weeks now. I saw your posts on the Beechwood thread where you thought first time offenders getting suspended and repeat offenders getting kicked off was fair treatment. Are you going to tell us what happened in this situation, what the punishment was and if you think it was fair? Or was this thread purely a hypothetical question?

OK Ru, I've been following this thread for 2 weeks now. I saw your posts on the Beechwood thread where you thought first time offenders getting suspended and repeat offenders getting kicked off was fair treatment. Are you going to tell us what happened in this situation, what the punishment was and if you think it was fair? Or was this thread purely a hypothetical question?

 

I am not sure it is apples to apples. In the Beechwood case I assume each of the players signed a no alcohol contract among other things and the penalty was a suspension at first and repeat offenders getting kicked off the team. On the surface that absolutely sounds like fair treatment.

 

In my hypothetical situation there is no contract that I know of however hypothetically:

 

1. Player 1 steals Player 2's $100 pair of shoes.

2. Player 2 catches Player 1 wearing the shoes.

3. Player 1 refuses to give the shoes back to Player 2.

4. Player 2 gets the shoes back on his own without incident.

5. Parent of Player 2 goes to Coach and asks him how internal theft is handled.

6. Coach wants to know who the players are first and says normally it goes to the school resource officer.

7. Coach then says he will figure it out.

8. Parent asks to be updated on the progress.

9. Next day Coach says the issue has been addressed and is over.

10. Player 1 immediately plays in teams next game less than two hours after Coach says the issue has been addressed and is over.

11. Parent thanks Coach for quick attention and asks for a little more insight on the resolution including were Player 1's parents involved and what was their reaction?

12. Coach says Player 1's parents were not involved and they address issues in house when possible.

13. Parent says he understands the concept of handling in house however if his son was the perpetrator and the Coach didn't come to him he would be outraged.

14. Parent adds to Coach that since they didn't involve Player 1's parents, he is going to talk to Player 1's dad.

15. Parent of Player 2 talks to Parent of Player 1 and together they discover that Player 1 lied to his parents too about the shoes. Parent of Player 2 tells parent of Player 1 he does not agree with Coaches handling of the situation and that he hopes Parent of Player 1 will handle it with his son.

16. Parent of Player 1 agrees to handle it with is son.

17. The next week at school Player 1 tells several people (erroneously) that Player 2's parents are going to pursue criminal charges.

18. End of story.

I am not sure it is apples to apples. In the Beechwood case I assume each of the players signed a no alcohol contract among other things and the penalty was a suspension at first and repeat offenders getting kicked off the team. On the surface that absolutely sounds like fair treatment.

 

In my hypothetical situation there is no contract that I know of however hypothetically:

 

1. Player 1 steals Player 2's $100 pair of shoes.

2. Player 2 catches Player 1 wearing the shoes.

3. Player 1 refuses to give the shoes back to Player 2.

4. Player 2 gets the shoes back on his own without incident.

5. Parent of Player 2 goes to Coach and asks him how internal theft is handled.

6. Coach wants to know who the players are first and says normally it goes to the school resource officer.

7. Coach then says he will figure it out.

8. Parent asks to be updated on the progress.

9. Next day Coach says the issue has been addressed and is over.

10. Player 1 immediately plays in teams next game less than two hours after Coach says the issue has been addressed and is over.

11. Parent thanks Coach for quick attention and asks for a little more insight on the resolution including were Player 1's parents involved and what was their reaction?

12. Coach says Player 1's parents were not involved and they address issues in house when possible.

13. Parent says he understands the concept of handling in house however if his son was the perpetrator and the Coach didn't come to him he would be outraged.

14. Parent adds to Coach that since they didn't involve Player 1's parents, he is going to talk to Player 1's dad.

15. Parent of Player 2 talks to Parent of Player 1 and together they discover that Player 1 lied to his parents too about the shoes. Parent of Player 2 tells parent of Player 1 he does not agree with Coaches handling of the situation and that he hopes Parent of Player 1 will handle it with his son.

16. Parent of Player 1 agrees to handle it with is son.

17. The next week at school Player 1 tells several people (erroneously) that Player 2's parents are going to pursue criminal charges.

18. End of story.

 

Wow.

Don't care what you think. Coaches aren't parents. A coaches job is to create a positive environment and experience. Parents, parent.

 

According to you, coaches are parents; because teams are families and coaches are supposed to make major life decisions about kids. And parents are worried about where their kids are between 3 and 5 p.m.; not that other parents are concerned about their kids spending 2 hours with thieves.

 

Sorry, I've never coached a team wondering what I can kick a kid off the team for. It's a life lesson for all involved.

 

Once again, what would a player have to do to get kicked off your team? Please give me an example? What exactly would you hold a player accountable for?

Wow.

Yes, wow.

According to you, coaches are parents; because teams are families and coaches are supposed to make major life decisions about kids.

 

Where did I post this?

 

And parents are worried about where their kids are between 3 and 5 p.m.; not that other parents are concerned about their kids spending 2 hours with thieves.

 

I don't even know what this means. Guess what, their kid is spending 8-3 with them everyday if they weren't expelled from school.

 

Once again, what would a player have to do to get kicked off your team? Please give me an example? What exactly would you hold a player accountable for?

 

I don't have an exact scenario for you nor do I need to give you an exact scenario. There are too many variables. I posted the below earlier in the thread. I see so much praise for what Noel Rash has done and you are hammering me for saying, pretty much, the same thing.

 

It's pretty safe to say there are an infinite number of scenario's that would determine if the kid remains on the team or not. For instance PP, how many issue's has this kid had in the past. However, that is why I said "Second Chance". Not 3rd, 4th or 5th.

 

To do right by the kid and the team, you put together a punishment that allows the kid to make the decision for himself. IF you want to be a part of this team you will do this conditioning, sit this many games, visit someone in jail...etc, etc. At that point if the young man doesn't except his punishment he no longer needs the sport and the sport no longer needs him.