Nevermind. Not worth it.

For some reason I want to believe you start out temporary or part time at Toyota. Is that true or do I have them confused with another plant?

 

And your point?

Except for maybe a general feeling of sympathy for all the Joe Sixpacks who will lose their jobs and, in some cases, destroy whole communities?

If GM was allowed to fail your Joe Sixpack would be just as much to blame as the company.

If GM was allowed to fail your Joe Sixpack would be just as much to blame as the company.

 

I know some Joe Sixpacks who work for big three auto makers, and I agree, they have a very large part to do with the failure as employees.

For some reason I want to believe you start out temporary or part time at Toyota. Is that true or do I have them confused with another plant?

Toyota new hires are through a temp service. I believe after 1 year (could be 2 years) you are either hired full time or replaced. It's my understanding they started going this route because of the large turn over they were having. It was too costly to hire people, train them, pay benefits, then have them quit 6 months later. Toyota is excellent money and benefits but most of the jobs there suck. People see the $'s and jump at the job, after a few months they run.

 

This is my understanding of how it works at the Princeton, IN plant. I have a few friends that work there and have had more friends that use to work there.

And your point?

 

I don't know. I'm trying to find out how things work there and if I am correct in thinking that they start off as temporary or part time at Toyota or if I had them confused with another plant.

Toyota new hires are through a temp service. I believe after 1 year (could be 2 years) you are either hired full time or replaced. It's my understanding they started going this route because of the large turn over they were having. It was too costly to hire people, train them, pay benefits, then have them quit 6 months later. Toyota is excellent money and benefits but most of the jobs there suck. People see the $'s and jump at the job, after a few months they run.

 

This is my understanding of how it works at the Princeton, IN plant. I have a few friends that work there and have had more friends that use to work there.

 

I was thinking it was something like this but wasn't sure. Thanks for the info.

I've always felt that if GM were allowed to fail the impact on the economy would be very little. I read somewhere that GM made up about the same percentage of the work force as Amtrack did when the government took it over.

 

I guess what strikes me from the comments is that if GM shut down their employees would be able to find jobs with other car makers but not jobs that paid them as much. Hmmm, maybe that's part of the problem.

I google search reveals no legitimate sources about anything to do with "channel stuffing" but plenty of hits on the right wing blogosphere. That tells me this is trying to use a lawsuit filed by an investor earlier in the year to dispell any good news that would possibly favor the President. I'm willing to look at a legit source if you have one, otherwise I'll go with this type of article.

 

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Dealer inventory has increased 50% over the last year. That is no theory. The channel is definitely more 'stuffed'.

 

Anecdotally, I noticed as full of lot as I have ever seen at a local dealer. Maybe its model year turnover. Lots of both 2012s and 2013s.

 

GM is selling more cars - to dealers. Hopefully, the dealers can move them. The key measure there would be days of inventory based on current sales. Like houses in the housing market this is the best measure of what is going on at the end-consumer level.

 

But with the company now a political entity its hard to trust the numbers.

I don't know. I'm trying to find out how things work there and if I am correct in thinking that they start off as temporary or part time at Toyota or if I had them confused with another plant.

My point pretty much is that overall, the employees at Honda and Toyota are paid more than the unionized GM employee. I recently lost a very good employee to Honda in Greensburg IN. He left a decent paying union job to take a much better non union job. I decided to leave the union many years ago, a decision that has paid ten fold for myself. Unions are antiquated and self serving. I see every day the representation from the stewards that benefit the few and effect the many.

My point pretty much is that overall, the employees at Honda and Toyota are paid more than the unionized GM employee. I recently lost a very good employee to Honda in Greensburg IN. He left a decent paying union job to take a much better non union job. I decided to leave the union many years ago, a decision that has paid ten fold for myself. Unions are antiquated and self serving. I see every day the representation from the stewards that benefit the few and effect the many.

 

That's cool. I was just wondering the hiring process at Toyota because I wasn't sure. I'm not mad at anyone who leaves a job for what they feel are greener pastures. I can only speak on my job and it is a proven fact that AT LEAST 85% of the people who have left Corning(from the company and union) willingly or unwillingly always wish they had never left and try to figure out how they can come back. Some have successfully returned. Others haven't. I will retire here as long as the doors are open.

 

And unions don't have to be antiquated and self-serving. My local is far from both and I will continue to go against the grain and try to break the stereotype.

The president is still claiming he saved the auto industry. How did he and his administration save Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai?

And unions don't have to be antiquated and self-serving. My local is far from both and I will continue to go against the grain and try to break the stereotype.

 

PP92, I think you would state that there are some unions that are run well and some that just make you shake your head. Are the unions for the most part self regulated or does the AFL-CIO have the ability to "shake up" the unions not run so well?

 

And I may be speaking too broadly, could it also be within a union, are some locals run very well and some run awful? Does the union as a whole have much authority or the locals pretty much run themselves with their elected leaders?

 

Years ago the local cable operator in Louisville was unionized and I was told by the long time employees that it was so bad they actually voted the union out.

My point pretty much is that overall, the employees at Honda and Toyota are paid more than the unionized GM employee. I recently lost a very good employee to Honda in Greensburg IN. He left a decent paying union job to take a much better non union job. I decided to leave the union many years ago, a decision that has paid ten fold for myself. Unions are antiquated and self serving. I see every day the representation from the stewards that benefit the few and effect the many.

 

Indiana is a right to work state. That's what happens.

PP92, I think you would state that there are some unions that are run well and some that just make you shake your head. Are the unions for the most part self regulated or does the AFL-CIO have the ability to "shake up" the unions not run so well?

 

And I may be speaking too broadly, could it also be within a union, are some locals run very well and some run awful? Does the union as a whole have much authority or the locals pretty much run themselves with their elected leaders?

 

Years ago the local cable operator in Louisville was unionized and I was told by the long time employees that it was so bad they actually voted the union out.

 

I think for the most part they are self-regulated. We answer to the Steelworkers now but we very very rarely involve them in any decisions for our plant except in those occasions where their presence is needed.

 

They really can't tell us what to do. They can ask us but not tell us. I don't know of any situations where they have taken over a local and I haven't heard of any situations where one of the locals was voted out. I don't think that is possible with our situation. The only way out of a union at Corning would be if Kentucky became RTW and no one sees that happening. There is a Corning plant in North Carolina and they are RTW and they still have the union but they also have a percentage of labor employees that left the union.