Re-read my post. I said nothing about Mormons. It took me a while to figure out who they were. I will re-state my post.

 

What I don't understand is how a Christian can vote for a party whose (grammar change) policies are so against the actual teachings of Jesus.

 

Let me help translate ACE.

 

Jesus is a Socialist.

 

So how can Repbulicans beat their chest about GOD and then in the same breathe attack the president for what republicans call socialist behavior.

Let me help translate ACE.

 

Jesus is a Socialist.

 

So how can Repbulicans beat their chest about GOD and then in the same breathe attack the president for what republicans call socialist behavior.

 

Really?

Am I correct that the "platform" included the word "faith?" If so, what's the issue?

 

Faith has nothing to do with the foundation of the actual Constitution. A 'Creator' (i.e. God) does. The principles of the Constitution rely on certain rights pre-existing government. This is why the Constitution does not 'give' us rights. It restricts the ability government to curtail those natural rights and natural laws with positive (man-made) laws. The core premise of our Constitution is that certain rights pre-exist man-made government.

 

If the 'creator', or God is eliminated then the foundation of our Constitution and its protective umbrella against man-made tyranny is eliminated. Hence if I am worried about the undermining of the Constitution by enemies I am concerned about eliminating the existence of a Creator that is greater that government from the Peoples mindset. Once people disconnect the Creator from the Constitution the foundation of our rights is much more easily attacked. Faith simply how you worship or acknowledge the creator. That is protected by the 1st amendment.

Faith has nothing to do with the foundation of the actual Constitution. A 'Creator' (i.e. God) does. The principles of the Constitution rely on certain rights pre-existing government. This is why the Constitution does not 'give' us rights. It restricts the ability government to curtail those natural rights and natural laws with positive (man-made) laws. The core premise of our Constitution is that certain rights pre-exist man-made government.

 

If the 'creator', or God is eliminated then the foundation of our Constitution and its protective umbrella against man-made tyranny is eliminated. Hence if I am worried about the undermining of the Constitution by enemies I am concerned about eliminating the existence of a Creator that is greater that government from the Peoples mindset. Once people disconnect the Creator from the Constitution the foundation of our rights is much more easily attacked. Faith simply how you worship or acknowledge the creator. That is protected by the 1st amendment.

 

There is no mention of God, Creator, Religion or Faith (outside the freedom to worship), in the Constitution. Nor is there any mention in the Preamble. As a matter of fact the Preamble states that it is the PEOPLE who are doing all that is being done in establishing this Country.

 

Creator is mentioned in the Declaration which was written 11 years earlier but was not the basis of our government rather the disolution of our connection to England.

 

It appears the Preamble and Constitution are less Godly than the Democrat Party Platform. Whoda thunkit?

There is no mention of God, Creator, Religion or Faith (outside the freedom to worship), in the Constitution. Nor is there any mention in the Preamble. As a matter of fact the Preamble states that it is the PEOPLE who are doing all that is being done in establishing this Country.

 

Creator is mentioned in the Declaration which was written 11 years earlier but was not the basis of our government rather the disolution of our connection to England.

 

It appears the Preamble and Constitution are less Godly than the Democrat Party Platform. Whoda thunkit?

 

So was a previous poster correct when they said that Jesus is a socialist? I know it has nothing to do with this post but I never got clarification.

Just so we have something to go on here is the Preamble of the Constitution:

 

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

 

Here is the opening 2 sections of the Declaration of Independence:

 

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

I'm not sure if this matters but I don't think the DNC's decision or this vote has one thing to do with the constitution.

I'm not sure if this matters but I don't think the DNC's decision or this vote has one thing to do with the constitution.

 

No, but Bluegrasscard was the one who brought the above documents into the discussion. So that's why I posted them.

So was a previous poster correct when they said that Jesus is a socialist? I know it has nothing to do with this post but I never got clarification.

 

No he wasnt

There is no mention of God, Creator, Religion or Faith (outside the freedom to worship), in the Constitution. Nor is there any mention in the Preamble. As a matter of fact the Preamble states that it is the PEOPLE who are doing all that is being done in establishing this Country.

 

Creator is mentioned in the Declaration which was written 11 years earlier but was not the basis of our government rather the disolution of our connection to England.

 

It appears the Preamble and Constitution are less Godly than the Democrat Party Platform. Whoda thunkit?

 

The Constitution restricts the government from encroaching on rights that pre-exist the forming of the government. So the rights existed prior to the creation of the government. Who endowed this rights if they are not 'given' by government. They are natural rights and they are endowed by the Creator.

 

Most government worshipers fear the discussion on natural rights and natural laws since these supersede man-made law and were existence before and after (yes, this government will collapse at some point) government structure.

 

Free speech existed before the 1st Amendment was written. The 1st Amendment only protects it.

The right to be secure in your home existed before the 4th Amendment. The 4th only protects it from government interference.

 

These 'God-given' rights exist without government. The Declaration of Independence says it directly. The Constitution clear builds that fact into its wording and structure.

I'm not sure if this matters but I don't think the DNC's decision or this vote has one thing to do with the constitution.

 

I think it does since a way to undermine the Constitution is to remove the foundation that established it. Most Democrats seem to hate the restrictions of the Constitution since it is a document that is designed to limit governments encroaching on natural (God-given) rights.

 

To have ultimate power and authority in government you need to break the chains of the Constitution on government.

I need a drink.

A question for those that feel this was a non-issue to start with.

 

If it was indeed a non-issue then why the BAD political theater to amend the platform, especially since it appears that theater mey be biting them in the backside a bit?

The Constitution restricts the government from encroaching on rights that pre-exist the forming of the government. So the rights existed prior to the creation of the government. Who endowed this rights if they are not 'given' by government. They are natural rights and they are endowed by the Creator.

 

Most government worshipers fear the discussion on natural rights and natural laws since these supersede man-made law and were existence before and after (yes, this government will collapse at some point) government structure.

 

Free speech existed before the 1st Amendment was written. The 1st Amendment only protects it.

The right to be secure in your home existed before the 4th Amendment. The 4th only protects it from government interference.

 

These 'God-given' rights exist without government. The Declaration of Independence says it directly. The Constitution clear builds that fact into its wording and structure.

 

There is no God given right to free speech. Free speech implies that I can speak freely without fear of retribution from my government. Free speech cannot therefore supercede government. Without government, my speech cannot be protected. I am free to say what I want, but your are then free to hit me in the mouth. Without government I have no right. In a land with no government there are no rights, it is the survival of the fittest.

 

I don't worship the government but I certainly understand the importance of the Social Contract. Otherwise we live in a state of nature and are only as secure as our own power. I also understand that in these United States that I am the government, well I was until Citizens United.

A question for those that feel this was a non-issue to start with.

 

If it was indeed a non-issue then why the BAD political theater to amend the platform, especially since it appears that theater mey be biting them in the backside a bit?

 

I'm guessing that instead of staying close minded about the issue they decided to resolve it togeher in a fashion as to not leave those out who wanted God back in the platform.

 

The ability to work together and compromise? Why is that a bad thing or bad theater?