I talked to college QB recently who finished his frosh year at D1. He says he was never taught how to read D in high school so if your first option wasn't there you winged it. He said he is 5 levels ahead after one year of college when it comes to decision making due to exposure, coaching, and reps.

 

Was this mystery QB a good decision maker in the pocket in high school? Or did he force things that weren't there? I doubt it was the latter...

I think you can guess at that but you will not know until you see a player with good talent and coaching. Better coaching. More time. More reps. Better options.

 

THEN you can know.

 

Can you give me one example of a kid that was considered a bad decision maker that suddenly turned things around? Instincts are pretty solidified in your head and are very hard to reporgram. You take the bad ones and try to convert them while I recruit the good ones and build on what they have. Any guess as to how that goes???

I think you can guess at that but you will not know until you see a player with good talent and coaching. Better coaching. More time. More reps. Better options.

 

THEN you can know.

 

Serious question to you Clyde? Just wondering but just how much film time have you spent watching Pike play?

 

I think anyone who deals with HS football players or has to make a decision on a player, will tell you they will learn more from watching films, than in watching a kid play in person!

There has been a lot of debate on BGP about Pike's ability as a QB over the last three years. Those that defended him as QB always had in there pocket, "20 BCS coaches can't be wrong and those guys are a lot smarter than you." We'll those 20 BCS coaches were wrong. Don't get me wrong, Pike can run, has a great arm, and is a great athlete. He is just not a quarterback.

 

I talked to two different coaches who game planned against Pike last year and funny thing is they both said that there game plan was to, keep Pike in the pocket and make him be a quarterback. Imagine that some little ol coach from nowhere Kantuckee and they understand what makes a quarterback better than all them BCS big wigs. There is and always will be more to the position than physical skill.

There has been a lot of debate on BGP about Pike's ability as a QB over the last three years. Those that defended him as QB always had in there pocket, "20 BCS coaches can't be wrong and those guys are a lot smarter than you." We'll those 20 BCS coaches were wrong. Don't get me wrong, Pike can run, has a great arm, and is a great athlete. He is just not a quarterback.

 

I talked to two different coaches who game planned against Pike last year and funny thing is they both said that there game plan was to, keep Pike in the pocket and make him be a quarterback. Imagine that some little ol coach from nowhere Kantuckee and they understand what makes a quarterback better than all them BCS big wigs. There is and always will be more to the position than physical skill.

 

I would have the same game plan for Ben Roethlisberger.

I definitely would not. I would try to make him move, throw on the run, and actually have to tuck and run. But defiantly get him out of the pocket. He may still beat me, but of course he IS a quarterback.

 

If I were playing Mike Vick I would employ the Pike strategy.

Roethlisberger wins games by making plays out of the pocket. If you keep him in the pocket, your chances of winning go way up.

Serious question to you Clyde? Just wondering but just how much film time have you spent watching Pike play?

 

I think anyone who deals with HS football players or has to make a decision on a player, will tell you they will learn more from watching films, than in watching a kid play in person!

 

There is a lot of film out there on him...... "some on cruiser -cam"

 

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Serious question to you Clyde? Just wondering but just how much film time have you spent watching Pike play?

 

I think anyone who deals with HS football players or has to make a decision on a player, will tell you they will learn more from watching films, than in watching a kid play in person!

 

Your point?

Can we all agree that even despite high schools now throwing 30+ times per game they're still running a simple offense? They're not taught to read a lot of defenses?

 

I talked to a coach who said his qb comes up to the line, finds one key player, and knows who he is throwing it to. Love it for high school.

 

However, that's not teaching decision-making. If that one option blows up the kid is then playing backyard football.

 

Jared Lorenzon often tried to get by with arm strength and guile when it was ill-advised. He wouldn't have passed the "wide decision making" test IMO.

 

Let a big strong kid with a strong arm get to a college and be taught how to play the position and what to read beyond one defensive player. Line him up with multiple weapons. Don't make him 99% of your offense. If he's smart he'll learn how to read college defenses and he will have many, many more options on a play. If he can't do it THEN you move him.

 

If ALL other things are equal then , yes, take a kid who seems to make better decisions.

 

We don't know how Pike will do/would have done and basing it on how her performed on a slightly average team in a basic offense doesn't give us that.

 

Pass on him if you don't like him as a person. Intangibles like that can certainly come into play.

There has been a lot of debate on BGP about Pike's ability as a QB over the last three years. Those that defended him as QB always had in there pocket, "20 BCS coaches can't be wrong and those guys are a lot smarter than you." We'll those 20 BCS coaches were wrong. Don't get me wrong, Pike can run, has a great arm, and is a great athlete. He is just not a quarterback.

 

I talked to two different coaches who game planned against Pike last year and funny thing is they both said that there game plan was to, keep Pike in the pocket and make him be a quarterback. Imagine that some little ol coach from nowhere Kantuckee and they understand what makes a quarterback better than all them BCS big wigs. There is and always will be more to the position than physical skill.

 

That is the game plan vs any qb that can run and make things happen on the run. On the flip side, if the qb is a true pocket passer the game plan is to get him out of the pockets.

 

It is not like it is rocket science on the approach vs Pike or any other qb.

For anyone to say that a qb is a good decision maker or not is impossible to determine, unless you know what the decisions are supposed to be.

Can we all agree that even despite high schools now throwing 30+ times per game they're still running a simple offense? They're not taught to read a lot of defenses?

I talked to a coach who said his qb comes up to the line, finds one key player, and knows who he is throwing it to. Love it for high school.

 

However, that's not teaching decision-making. If that one option blows up the kid is then playing backyard football.

 

Jared Lorenzon often tried to get by with arm strength and guile when it was ill-advised. He wouldn't have passed the "wide decision making" test IMO.

 

Let a big strong kid with a strong arm get to a college and be taught how to play the position and what to read beyond one defensive player. Line him up with multiple weapons. Don't make him 99% of your offense. If he's smart he'll learn how to read college defenses and he will have many, many more options on a play. If he can't do it THEN you move him.

 

If ALL other things are equal then , yes, take a kid who seems to make better decisions.

 

We don't know how Pike will do/would have done and basing it on how her performed on a slightly average team in a basic offense doesn't give us that.

 

Pass on him if you don't like him as a person. Intangibles like that can certainly come into play.

 

 

I cannot agree with the bolded as a blanket statement.

 

While yes there are some teams that have the ol' throw it to that guy if he is open and run it if he is not motto. But they are very few and far between. Those are generally run heavy teams that are going off of play action.

 

There is a large number of passing teams that adjust their routes based on the pre-snap look of the defense. Yet, there are others that go the next step and make additional adjustments to routes based on what the defense does post snap.

 

 

Also, how do you know that Dixie's offense was basic?

Serious question to you Clyde? Just wondering but just how much film time have you spent watching Pike play?

 

I think anyone who deals with HS football players or has to make a decision on a player, will tell you they will learn more from watching films, than in watching a kid play in person!

 

It is rare for a D1 school to offer a qb they have not seen throw in person.

Your point?

 

Asking if you had seen film on him, was my point and why, you ask?

 

Watching film on him as I am sure GT has and or as some of the locals coaches that coldhand spoke about, that have for years and those films tell a lot about Pike and a lot of it IMHO isn't good.

 

Originally Posted by Clyde

I think you can guess at that but you will not know until you see a player with good talent and coaching. Better coaching. More time. More reps. Better options.

 

BTW are you saying that Zeke former teammates at Dixie were bad, as well as his former Dixie coaches? I hope not!