July 24, 201214 yr If they really wanted him back and thought he would bounce back, they wouldn't be shopping him. They want Hamels back as well but they are shopping him.
July 24, 201214 yr I like the Big O and he is one of the best when on, but I don't think it would be that hard to replace him...I'm just throwing this out there...The Big O pitched scoreless baseball in his first 15.1 IP this year, he gave up 8 Hits, walked 7, struck out 11 and hitters were hitting .154/.254 against him...Since his scoreless streak he has 21.1 IP, he has given up 21 Hits, walked 12, struck out 14, his ERA is 4.64 and hitters are hitting .263/.366 against him... Alfred Simon in his first 15.2 IP this year gave up 18 Hits, walked 4, struck out 17, his ERA was 2.30 and hitters were hitting .290/.357 against him...Since then he has 21.1 IP, he has given up 18 Hits, walked 9 and struck out 18, his ERA is 0.84 and hitters are hitting .228/.307 against him... Sam Lecure in his first 16.1 IP this year gave up 16 Hits, walked 9, struck out 17, his ERA was 4.41 and hitters were hitting .258/.352 against him...Since then he has 19 IP and has given up 15 Hits, walked 8, struck out 19, his ERA is 2.84 and hitters are hitting .221/.303 against him... JJ Hoover in his first 15.2 IP this year gave up 9 Hits, walked 6, struck out 15, his ERA was 2.87 and hitters were hitting .167/.246 against him...In AAA he has pitched 24.1 Innings with 8 walks, 34 strikeouts, 6 saves and a ERA of 1.48... Donnie Joseph has put together a nice season between AA and AAA, he is a lefty but can get righties and lefties out... Is it possible that the Big O's role could easily be replaced by sliding Simon there and bringing up Hoover to replace Simon as a long man?...Or could LeCure move into the Big O's role and keep Simon where he is and bring up Hoover to fill LeCure's current role?...Or could Hoover just slide right in for the Big O and be just as successful?...I think the Reds bullpen depth is a strength of theirs right now and you have to give up something to get something, me personally would rather give up the Big O in a deal for someone than give up 2 or 3 prospects...Nick Masset may very well return at some point as well... There is a reason contending teams add relievers down the stretch ... it's a long season and some guys wear down, and you can never have too deep of a bullpen. Ask the Cardinals about how much bullpen help turned their season around in 2011.
July 25, 201214 yr The Pirates had a chance to get him also but the Phillies were asking for Brad Lincoln in return and the Pirates werent willing to do that...
July 25, 201214 yr The Pirates had a chance to get him also but the Phillies were asking for Brad Lincoln in return and the Pirates werent willing to do that... Can't blame them for that.
July 25, 201214 yr Only reason I would have been cool with this is that I think Victorino would have made a bigger impact this season than Ondrusek. We have Masset coming back soon, could be a nice addition to a crowded bullpen. Reds NEED someone to lead off. They don't necessarily need Ondrusek. That being said, Juan Pierre will work just fine.
July 25, 201214 yr The 2 are close enough that the proper evaluation of this proposed deal shakes out on $ rather than baseball. LO earns $500k (pro-rated) and is locked up for a few more years if they want him and want to pay what an arbitrator will award him. SV is owed the remainder of his contract ($9MM pro-rated?) and then is a FA for 2013 and beyond -- unlikely to be signed by Reds due to $ and current roster (Stubbs, Heisey, Paul, etc.) Glad they passed. If they were struggling and needed to make a splash to show a commitment to this year, I could live with it.
July 25, 201214 yr Just heard that Phils are also dangling Hunter Pence. He is owed balance of his $10.4MM for this year and is arbitration eligible for 2013. Maybe the Lou. St. X guy might want to come to Cincinnati to get closer to home. Not a leadoff guy and would be a significant defensive falloff if he had to play CF, but I like him as a player. That said, not sure I would trade LO for him straight up.
July 26, 201214 yr Just heard that Phils are also dangling Hunter Pence. He is owed balance of his $10.4MM for this year and is arbitration eligible for 2013. Maybe the Lou. St. X guy might want to come to Cincinnati to get closer to home. Not a leadoff guy and would be a significant defensive falloff if he had to play CF, but I like him as a player. That said, not sure I would trade LO for him straight up.Who is from St. Xavier?
July 26, 201214 yr They want Hamels back as well but they are shopping him.Big difference ... they made Hamels an offer.
July 26, 201214 yr Big difference ... they made Hamels an offer. But they were still shopping him before they started contract talks. Plus I said they wanted Hamels back.
July 26, 201214 yr But they were still shopping him before they started contract talks. Plus I said they wanted Hamels back. The Phillies started contract talks several months ago with Hamels ... exploring the market for him was due diligence, but every indication was that they wanted him back. That doesn't appear to be the case with Victorino.
July 26, 201214 yr I think maybe he means Lex Cath...and doubtful.Who is from Lexington Catholic, then? If he is referring to Pence, he is way off the mark.
July 26, 201214 yr Author Who is from Lexington Catholic, then? If he is referring to Pence, he is way off the mark. He went to HS in Texas so not sure what he means. :lol:
July 26, 201214 yr The Phillies started contract talks several months ago with Hamels ... exploring the market for him was due diligence, but every indication was that they wanted him back. That doesn't appear to be the case with Victorino. But the one big reason they are shopping Victorino is because he is going to be a free agent. That is all I was saying to begin with. The same with Hamels. Common sense would say they would want to keep Hamels and not to sign Victorino.
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