June 20, 201214 yr Author The Reds have some very promising pitchers right now in the minors with very live arms and that's not even counting some of this years draft picks...I would have them ranked like this right now and I think at least 3 of these guys become Top of the Rotation type starters for the Reds or someone else in the future...The #10 guy on the list has as much potential as anyone, that's never a bad thing... 1. Tony Cingrani- AA - 74 IP, 53 H, 17 BB, 91 K's, 1.45 ERA 2. Daniel Corcino- AA- 70 IP, 60 H, 31 BB, 69 K's, 3.34 ERA 3. Robert Stephenson- Rookie - 5 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 8 K's, 0.00 ERA 4. Donnie Joseph (reliever)- AAA - 34.2 IP, 13 H, 11 BB, 51 K's, 0.78 ERA 5. Nick Travieso- 2012 1st Round Pick, has yet to pitch...He has drawn comps to Matt Cain... 6. Kyle Lotzkar- AA - 68 IP, 57 H, 32 BB, 76 K's, 2.78 ERA 7. Pedro Villarreal- AAA - 84 IP, 82 H, 16 BB, 57 K's, 3.74 ERA 8. J.C. Sulbaran- AA - 72 IP, 77 H, 33 BB, 77 K's, 4.25 ERA 9. Drew Cisco- 2010 6th Round Pick, has yet to pitch...He was drafted out of High School and was given a nice signing bonus to sign, he has drawn comps to Mike Leake... 10.Amir Garrett- 2011 22nd Round Pick, has yet to pitch...He is very raw athlete but has drawn comps to David Price...Plays Basketball for St. Johns...
June 20, 201214 yr Author Hamilton was robbed at gunpoint just a few hours before the game. Crazy. It is crazy thank god he is alright...
June 20, 201214 yr Author Why hasn't the 2010 draft pick pitched yet? Cisco had TJ and has been rehabbing...He is also on the Billings Starting Staff this year...He signed for 975,000 in the 6th Round which is close to 1st Rounder type money, Hopefully he has some success coming off the surgery...
June 20, 201214 yr 1. Tony Cingrani- AA - 74 IP, 53 H, 17 BB, 91 K's, 1.45 ERA Cingarani might be in Double-A now, but most of those stats were accumulated at the Class A level ... 10.Amir Garrett- 2011 22nd Round Pick, has yet to pitch...He is very raw athlete but has drawn comps to David Price...Plays Basketball for St. Johns...A 22nd-round pick draws comparisons to David Price, who was the #1 pick in the draft out of college ... get real.
June 20, 201214 yr Cingarani might be in Double-A now, but most of those stats were accumulated at the Class A level ... A 22nd-round pick draws comparisons to David Price, who was the #1 pick in the draft out of college ... get real. He's had 1 start in AA I believe. Edit, I just looked it's 3 starts. 2.55 ERA.
June 20, 201214 yr Author Cingarani might be in Double-A now, but most of those stats were accumulated at the Class A level ... A 22nd-round pick draws comparisons to David Price, who was the #1 pick in the draft out of college ... get real. Yay :clap:...Many of the guys I posted about have spent the year between 2 different levels...I was simply posting there 2012 Overall Stats and their current level of Play...Joseph has been at AA and AAA, Lotzkar has been at A+ and AA, Villareal has been at AA and AAA...
June 20, 201214 yr Yay :clap:...Many of the guys I posted about have spent the year between 2 different levels...I was simply posting there 2012 Overall Stats and their current level of Play...Joseph has been at AA and AAA, Lotzkar has been at A+ and AA, Villareal has been at AA and AAA...But when you post that they're at one level and use stats mostly gleaned at another level, it's a bit misleading ...
June 20, 201214 yr Author Cingarani might be in Double-A now, but most of those stats were accumulated at the Class A level ... A 22nd-round pick draws comparisons to David Price, who was the #1 pick in the draft out of college ... get real. A 6 foot 6 Lefty that throws mid to upper 90's and has first round ability but most teams were scared to draft him because of sign-ability issues, yes...Take a step back, I said he was a comp I never said he was David Price...Garrett has a long way to go and hasn't played a ton of baseball, but many scouts have drooled over his potential...The comps of David Price linked to Garrett are all over the web, it is what it is simply a comp and a pretty good one imo...Garrett is 20, Price is 26, its not a huge stretch that over these next 3 years developing in the minors Garrett being the insane athlete that he is could be similar to Price...Price spent 3 years in the SEC at Vandy, so obviously he was much more polished... From an SI Article..."Garrett was staging a one-man pitching audition a month before MLB's First-Year Player Draft, which begins on Monday. The 6-foot-5 lefthander cut an imposing figure on the mound, but neither his teammates nor the scouts knew what to expect. Garrett hadn't thrown in a game since June 2010, when he went straight from the NBA Players' Association's Top 100 Camp in Charlottesville, Va., to USA Baseball's Tournament of Stars in Cary, N.C. There he showed some life in his arm, but walked seven batters in 4 1/3 innings. Garrett said he wasn't in baseball shape then; he believes that had he focused on the game -- rather than going to Findlay, which only has a basketball team -- he would have been a top 10 prep baseball prospect. Which is why he and his father, Darrow, decided it would be worthwhile to give pitching one more shot before the end of high school. "My dad always tells me," Amir said, "don't let good talent go to waste." On March 6, following the conclusion of Findlay's regular basketball season, Garrett went to his hometown of Los Angeles to get instructions on a throwing program from Jaeger Sports. Its founder, Alan Jaeger, has developed a long-tossing and surgical-band exercise program that has benefitted pitchers such as Trevor Bauer, a UCLA righty who's expected to be a top five pick on Monday. Jaeger said Garrett's fastball was clocked in the mid-80s during that visit. Garrett stuck with the program in Nevada, and on recommendation from Orlando Cepeda Jr. of Legacy Sports Group, began receiving thrice-weekly instruction from Nick Aiello, the pitching coach at College of Southern Nevada, where phenom Bryce Harper played one season before going No. 1 overall in the 2010 MLB Draft. "When Amir started here, he was pitching like a guy who was 5-9, not 6-5," said Aiello, who made key mechanical adjustments to stretch out Garrett's delivery. "Now, he's getting a ton of leverage." Despite the fact that Garrett's unveiling was coming just two months after he'd returned to throwing, Aiello was confident it would be a success. He staked his reputation by telling scouting friends, in less refined language, that they would soil themselves when they saw Garrett's combination of size, athleticism and arm action in person. With a horde of radar guns pointed at him on May 4, Garrett's fastball hit 92 miles per hour, then 93 and peaked at a stunning 96. News of it spread like wildfire among scouts; 22 more came back to see Garrett throw on May 24, and four more watched him on May 30. He hovered in the low 90s during the latter two sessions, which were less impressive, but he remains one of the more intriguing and mysterious prospects in this year's draft -- a David Price-sized lefty with an untaxed, explosive arm and barely any high school statistics. Jaeger, who has worked with scores of professional pitchers, said that the velocity Garrett was able to gain in just seven weeks was "mind-altering," and thinks he has yet to hit his radar-gun ceiling. Findlay Prep's Amir Garrett choosing between St. John's, MLB - Luke Winn - SI.com Edited June 20, 201214 yr by nkufan23
June 20, 201214 yr Author But when you post that they're at one level and use stats mostly gleaned at another level, it's a bit misleading ... None of the players have seen a big decrease in their numbers since moving up a level...It would be one thing if Cingrani for example went to AA and his ERA went from around 1.00 to 5.00, but it hasn't...All of these players seem to be handling the jump in competition just fine... Cingrani @ A+ 56.2 IP, 39 H, 13 BB, 71 K's, 1.11 ERA Cingrani @ AA 17.2 IP, 14 H, 4 BB, 20 K's, 2.55 ERA Joseph @ AA 30.1 IP, 13 H, 8 BB, 46 K's, 0.89 ERA Jospeh @ AAA 4.1 IP, 0 H, 3 BB, 5 K's, 0.00 ERA Lotzkar @ A+ 26.1 IP, 22 H, 10 BB, 27 K's, 2.39 ERA Lotzkar @ AA 41.2 IP, 35 H, 22 BB, 49 K's, 3.02 ERA Villarreal @ AA 35.1 IP, 31 H, 6 BB, 26 K's, 3.57 ERA Villarreal @ AAA 49 IP, 51 H, 10 BB, 31 K's, 3.86 ERA
June 20, 201214 yr Lotzkar's hit/walk to IP ratio is terrible. He needs to work in that before he would excite me.
June 20, 201214 yr Author Lotzkar's hit/walk to IP ratio is terrible. He needs to work in that before he would excite me. Since moving to AA he has struggled with command but has still put up good overall numbers...He was the Reds 1st Round Comp pick in 07' and is 22 years old...He is averaging about a walk more per 9 innings than he has in his Minor League career right now...He needs to work on his stamina and command but has great stuff...He has already had TJ surgery a couple years back and that could be contributing to the command issues...He has very good stuff though as evidenced by the K numbers he has put up...
June 20, 201214 yr A 6 foot 6 Lefty that throws mid to upper 90's and has first round ability but most teams were scared to draft him because of sign-ability issues, yes...Take a step back, I said he was a comp I never said he was David Price...Garrett has a long way to go and hasn't played a ton of baseball, but many scouts have drooled over his potential...The comps of David Price linked to Garrett are all over the web, it is what it is simply a comp and a pretty good one imo...Garrett is 20, Price is 26, its not a huge stretch that over these next 3 years developing in the minors Garrett being the insane athlete that he is could be similar to Price...Price spent 3 years in the SEC at Vandy, so obviously he was much more polished... From an SI Article..."Garrett was staging a one-man pitching audition a month before MLB's First-Year Player Draft, which begins on Monday. The 6-foot-5 lefthander cut an imposing figure on the mound, but neither his teammates nor the scouts knew what to expect. Garrett hadn't thrown in a game since June 2010, when he went straight from the NBA Players' Association's Top 100 Camp in Charlottesville, Va., to USA Baseball's Tournament of Stars in Cary, N.C. There he showed some life in his arm, but walked seven batters in 4 1/3 innings. Garrett said he wasn't in baseball shape then; he believes that had he focused on the game -- rather than going to Findlay, which only has a basketball team -- he would have been a top 10 prep baseball prospect. Which is why he and his father, Darrow, decided it would be worthwhile to give pitching one more shot before the end of high school. "My dad always tells me," Amir said, "don't let good talent go to waste." On March 6, following the conclusion of Findlay's regular basketball season, Garrett went to his hometown of Los Angeles to get instructions on a throwing program from Jaeger Sports. Its founder, Alan Jaeger, has developed a long-tossing and surgical-band exercise program that has benefitted pitchers such as Trevor Bauer, a UCLA righty who's expected to be a top five pick on Monday. Jaeger said Garrett's fastball was clocked in the mid-80s during that visit. Garrett stuck with the program in Nevada, and on recommendation from Orlando Cepeda Jr. of Legacy Sports Group, began receiving thrice-weekly instruction from Nick Aiello, the pitching coach at College of Southern Nevada, where phenom Bryce Harper played one season before going No. 1 overall in the 2010 MLB Draft. "When Amir started here, he was pitching like a guy who was 5-9, not 6-5," said Aiello, who made key mechanical adjustments to stretch out Garrett's delivery. "Now, he's getting a ton of leverage." Despite the fact that Garrett's unveiling was coming just two months after he'd returned to throwing, Aiello was confident it would be a success. He staked his reputation by telling scouting friends, in less refined language, that they would soil themselves when they saw Garrett's combination of size, athleticism and arm action in person. With a horde of radar guns pointed at him on May 4, Garrett's fastball hit 92 miles per hour, then 93 and peaked at a stunning 96. News of it spread like wildfire among scouts; 22 more came back to see Garrett throw on May 24, and four more watched him on May 30. He hovered in the low 90s during the latter two sessions, which were less impressive, but he remains one of the more intriguing and mysterious prospects in this year's draft -- a David Price-sized lefty with an untaxed, explosive arm and barely any high school statistics. Jaeger, who has worked with scores of professional pitchers, said that the velocity Garrett was able to gain in just seven weeks was "mind-altering," and thinks he has yet to hit his radar-gun ceiling. Findlay Prep's Amir Garrett choosing between St. John's, MLB - Luke Winn - SI.com I'll stand by my assessment on a guy that hasn't thrown a competitive pitch in nearly two years ... so what if he lit up radar guns? A lot of guys do that. Price dominated the SEC, the best college baseball conference in the nation, and was a consensus top-rated player. There is no comparison, not a valid one, until Garrett actually does something on the mound.
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