What makes it hard for me to believe is that I only know of a few people who have actually encountered criminals, let along gotten the opportunity to stop them with or without a gun. I know a LOT of people like me.

Well, you have to remember the industry I work in. I have an opportunity to talk with more people about such situations.

A rep I know well, a good friend, was working a show in Oregon about 20 years ago. He was walking to his hotel from the show, a couple of blocks away in an area that was typically safe. Four guys, Native Americans, jumped him, stabbed him and stole his wallet as he laid there bleeding. He is a very street wise guy, he said he looked them in the eyes as he was about to pass them and didn't believe he had any reason to fear them. The man is very lucky to be alive, they told his wife they didn't think he was going to make it.

I don't have a problem with it, I'm cautious and attentive myself. But the topic of the thread is about how scared we should be of young black men with flat bill hats.

Again, I don't care about the color of their skin, it's their motive I worry about. You can't always tell motive. Being attentive won't always save your hide, it's a simple fact.

No one is saying to not be cautious. I think some of us feel there are ways to ensure that one is safe without extreme tactics or avoidance based upon superficial analysis.

And I agree to an extent. However, those tactics don't always work, you need to understand that.

I don't have a problem with it, I'm cautious and attentive myself. But the topic of the thread is about how scared we should be of young black men with flat bill hats.

 

I thought the topic was whether we would cross the steet if we encountered "3 young black males dressed in baggy pants, hoodies and flat billed hats walking your way at night". That's rather different than being scared, and the qualifier of three young black males walking your way late at night is a pretty big qualifier (at least it is to me).

 

I'm not cautious with a young black male with a flat billed hat walking to and fro lunch in downtown Cincinnati and because my office is located right next to the bus transfer area next to the Federal Courthouse downtown, that happens almost every day. However, I am cautious when I see several young black males dressed in a certain manner late at night in downtown Cincinnati. Why? Because a large percentage of the violent crime committed in downtown Cincinnati late at night has been committed by young black males.

I thought the topic was whether we would cross the steet if we encountered "3 young black males dressed in baggy pants, hoodies and flat billed hats walking your way at night". That's rather different than being scared, and the qualifier of three young black males walking your way late at night is a pretty big qualifier (at least it is to me).

 

I'm not cautious with a young black male with a flat billed hat walking to and fro lunch in downtown Cincinnati and because my office is located right next to the bus transfer area next to the Federal Courthouse downtown, that happens almost every day. However, I am cautious when I see several young black males dressed in a certain manner late at night in downtown Cincinnati. Why? Because a large percentage of the violent crime committed in downtown Cincinnati late at night has been committed by young black males.

Exactly!

Want a shock? I never carry.

That is shocking. I had you pegged for an "always carry" guy.

I grew up in Memphis, and in my area caucasians became the minority. I was walking home one evening, and I encountered 4 black males who were on the other side of the street and started crossing to my side. I put my hand in my pocket like I was getting "something", and they stopped and stayed on their side. I did not seek to avoid them. The best, although sad, option is to stay off dark streets at night.

This seems fitting:

 

http://othervoices.runnersworld.com/2012/04/be-aware-assaulted-on-the-bloomington-rail-trail/?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-RunnersWorld-_-Content-Blog-_-OtherVoicesAssault

This seems fitting:

 

Be Aware: Assaulted on the Bloomington Rail Trail | Other Voices

 

Very fitting. Here's another one: Keller @ Large: Get Facts Straight In Trayvon Martin Murder First « CBS Boston

I will leave this here without editorial comment:

 

The Talk: Nonblack Version

For me I'd not cross the street but it's not because they're black. I would prepare myself for something that may or may not happen but I'd do the same thing whether it's 3 black teens or adult males, 3 white guys dressed in odd clothing or punk looking. Color doesn't matter as much to me as does appearance and they way they are acting.

In this situation, Yes, I would cross the street. I stress to my wife and son to allways be aware of your surroundings, and be attentive. I don't live in fear, and I am not paranoid, but I try to always expect the unexpected. Oh, and another thing, I have a concealed weapon permit and I am always carrying if I am going to be where it is legal for me to carry. This does not give me a false sense of security, and it makes me even more cautious, I do not want to get in a situation where i have to use my gun if at all possible, but I do feel better about protecting myself and my family when i have my firearm on me, a whole lot more affective than my fist. Skinheads would evoke the same response from me.

This statistics in this article explains why I would cross the street------>It's All About Race Now - Patrick Buchanan « ArcaMax Publishing

 

 

This is sick!------->Second Video Shows Brutal Gang Attack On Tourist Outside Baltimore Courthouse | The Smoking Gun

Another member sent this to me because she/he was afraid to post it. Hopefully this comes across as the legitimate question it is and not anything more or less. There are two threads on this. Now for the question.

 

If you are a white, by yourself or with your spouse and/or kids and you see 3 young black males dressed in baggy pants, hoodies and flat billed hats walking your way at night, do you cross the street to avoid them?

 

Are you crossing the street because they are black or the way they are dressed?