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I know you mentioned you been to a few practices, which is really cool btw. With that said, unless you have been to every practice. How do you know they haven’t practiced EOG situations?

Which to answer your question on why more teams don’t opt out, is because usually at most it may just be two games a team would be running away from. Since usually at most only two teams in district that may be head and shoulders better than you. So no need to opt out. Plus as I have mentioned, the schools may believe just like I do. That opting out would hurt the program more than help and hurt numbers too. I can definitely get on board with those that want to completely get rid of districts all together though.

Then fill you non district schedule with a bunch of winnable games. Some of you are acting like the whole 10 games is against your district. When the fact is at most there are usually only two teams in your district that may be head and shoulders way above you. So if you go 1 and 9 with only one district win. Then well maybe you need to change your non district schedule then to get more wins in non district, since you went winless in non disrict. Which if you are already going winless in non district, then dropping out of district doesn’t help you either. If teams are already automatically making the playoffs. Then well that means they are in a district with just 3 other teams. So that 7 games against teams in non district. So, this whole conversation comes down to 2 or 3 games. So just schedule down in your non district for those 6 to 7 games then to help stack wins to build confidence back up.

Which coach and which school was that?

I’ll be honest I don’t know all the specific teams that have dropped out of district play. Which programs have dropped out of district play seen their programs and numbers get better when playing out of district? Also I’m truly asking which coaches are you speaking of that got fired shortly after winning their first district game in a long time?

See I don’t think the rest of the region was down. It just the region legit had 3 top 10 teams in the state this year, all very capable of making a run to win State in Cooper, Newport, and CovCath. So I don’t know if it is as much as the rest of the region being down, as it is more just the three top teams were just that good this year.

The Jags dominated in the second half, after a pretty even first half. Hopefully Yamil is ok for Cooper and can play Tuesday, as it looked like he may have re-injured his shoulder at the end of the game.

Where we disagree on apparently is I think those numbers get even worse if drop out of district play and even more players start going elsewhere.

If you are a program that hasn’t won a district game in years and hasn’t been to the playoffs in years. Simply making the playoffs even with losing in the first round can help build the program and show making strides in the program and also help then in getting numbers back up.

As I said before this is something we will have to agree to disagree on. IMO I think you would see less players play, and end up hurting the program more than helping by dropping out. I believe more kids would view it as nothing to play for. Plus future kids and even parents of kids would see that school not even playing in districts and playing for nothing and would send their kids elsewhere. I just don’t think there is much positive to come out of it at all. But once again though, neither one of us is obviously going to change the other one’s opinion on this lol.

Kids play football and sports in general because they enjoy the competition for it and trying to play for something. Even if that something is to win a district game for first time in 5 years, or making the playoffs for first time in years. Those are accomplishments that even players can look back on and think they did something. Rather than a season of playing for literally nothing, where literally can’t even be optimistic or dream about having a chance for anything more cause you are done after game 10 no matter what if you drop out. Now I could be on board though with no districts at all, and just using RPI or Calpreps to determine who makes the playoffs. However, while things are the way they are. Then I do think the the majority of cases that a team dropping out of district play doesn’t help things at all.

Great win! Plus something else they know now they need to work on in regards to end of game press breaks. I rather that happen now in a win, than in the tournament. I said this back after the lost to LSU that UK would be anywhere between a 3 and a 6 seed. UK has now definitely given themselves a chance at being a 3 seed. If UK makes the finals of the SEC tournament I think they will be a 3 seed. If not, then I think they will be a 4 seed.

Now this I would be fine with. If want to do away with districts all together and use just Calpreps or RPI, then that’s fine. I just don’t agree in most cases with dropping out of district play.

As I have said in my longer post, I can probably guarantee I have lived through a lot worst experience with this than you may have gone through. Which you are right if say they lose to Scott, then yeah those last couple games may be rough. But you are wanting to go non district for maybe 2 or 3 games at most that may be too difficult? Which I do believe kids definitely would know if their school dropped out of district play. Kids aren’t dumb, they would know that their school also doesn’t think they can compete, so why stay there? Why play? Football is a long year when you count off season conditioning, then all those practices just to play at minimum 10 games. Most kids aren’t going to be willing to go through all that, when there is literally nothing at the end of the tunnel to where you can accomplish something if you win. Water down your schedule to 7 and 3 and your reward is nothing cause your season is over. I don’t see that getting kids out. I don’t see why people think should jump out of district play because of maybe 2 district games that may be unwinnable, 3 at most. That leaves 7 other games, 5 of them being non district games usually where you can water down your schedule to try to stack wins. As you said though neither of us is going to change the other opinion on this. I do enjoy hearing the other viewpoint though, and just have to agree to disagree.

So for your example you are going to drop out of district because of 3 games? That’s silly IMO, so we will have to agree to disagree on that. Plus doesn’t Dixie lose a lot from last year? So I’m not sure if can put Dixie in that category with Cooper and Highlands. Also if you are still going to play Conner and Scott. Then might as well stay in district, because if you win them you are in the playoffs. Which even if you lose in the first round, making the playoffs is an achievement that would get the players more excited than literally going into the season with no hopes or playing for anything. Dropping out of district play tells your players that you don’t think they are good enough, gives them nothing to shoot for, plus as I have mentioned I believe it would hurt numbers more than help. So will agree to disagree on this.

Honestly he was at his best when he played the 5. He just doesn’t seem to fit that well when having to play the 4.

Your numbers aren’t going to go up if you play non district. Players aren’t dumb, they would then know their own school doesn’t believe they can do well. So why even play, especially when playing for nothing at that point? Plus how do you even know if you go non district if you are then ready to play in district in two years. If your whole schedule is water down, you have no idea. It is simple you water down you non district schedule to build confidence, then you find out where you are at during district play. Dropping out of district is not going to help with much of anything and most likely will hurt the program and numbers.

If you are not in a district you literally have nothing to play for, and nothing to look at in regards to if you accomplished anything. Plus honestly you are telling your players that basically you don’t believe they can get better and giving up. Usually at most you may have two teams in your district that is just far and out better than you and if you are in a very tough district which is very rare you may have 3. The other district games should be the ones though that you are working towards getting better at. Plus you definitely can’t schedule down in non district play to try to give your team some confidence. So use the non district part of your schedule to try to schedule wins. IMO Boone is the perfect example. Yeah the last couple of years they had no chance against Highlands or Cooper. However, Conner one year they were right there and barely came up short. Last year very Scott was a game they definitely could have won. They just fell short. If you don’t play in a district, I don’t think that helps get kids out at all, because they also then see that even the school thinks they aren’t good, so why play? In district play Boone has had a chance to get district wins and even make the playoffs, just fell short. If you go out of district, how do you even know if you are getting better to where you can then come back to district play? It is simple you don’t know. You start small and try to build. First try to get that first district win. Like for Boone their goal should be this year to say beat Scott and get that first district win. That is a step in the right direction to build off off. Then the season after that, try to make the playoffs. Doing stuff like that gets participation up more and saves the program more than dropping out of district play would. I know me personally I been through a rough stretch than probably anyone on here when I played. We were still 4 classes then, and was in a district with Two top 5 times in the state at the time in NCC and Beechwood and we had a 33 game losing streak and got pounded by those schools, and in fact got running clocked by almost everyone during that losing streak. My junior we got down to 13 players. I guarantee you if you dropped out of district play after that, the program would have folded and no players would have came out, because you were not playing for anything then. Instead of running away, we got a new coach that did slowly build it back up. First broke the 33 game losing streak, took our beat downs to Beechwood and NCC still, but found away to beat the other district teams to make the playoffs. That accomplishment and work saved the program and got even more kids back out. Running away out of district play is not helping kids, and it’s not helping a program. Getting out of district play isn’t going to help numbers grow either, because kids aren’t dumb. They know at that point the school doesn’t believe in them, and literally playing for nothing.

I see zero reason for a team to drop out of district play. I know a lot of people on here have always talked about how it was better when it was 4 classes and teams had to “earn” their way into the playoffs. Well people do realize back when it was 4 classes, there were districts that were stacked and teams would have to play teams in district that just wouldn’t be close. Yet now we have people want to make excuses and drop out of district play? Yes it’s tough, but there is still something to play for. There is absolutely nothing for kids to play for, if drop out of district play.

On the road, in foul trouble and still up 4 at half. I’ll take it. I love Mitchell, however since he has came back he hasn’t brought much to the court at all. He is at his best when he has been at the 5. If he is not going to be at the 5, then UK is better when Theiro is at the 4 not Mitchell.

I’m all with you on this. 😁

He definitely does not get enough credit for developing players.

This! There are some that only focus on what Cal hasn’t done well, but yet ignore things like this. Getting a brand new team to come together and gel like this, especially getting freshman to share the basketball is a big credit to Cal. People always like to blame coaching when teams don’t get along and have turmoil. So you have to give credit when a coach can get a team to buy in. Which Cal for most of his time here has always been great at doing for the most part. Some people act like any coach could come in and be successful with some of the players he had. However, a lot of coaches wouldn’t be able to get a bunch of new freshman every year to buy in. Cal has always been one of the best at doing that. Even that 96 team that was loaded with talent, wasn’t a team that had a bunch of freshman learning to play together.

Senior day, and even though they have the SEC one seed wrapped up. They are still playing for a one seed in the big tournament. So there definitely would be no over looking UK by then.

Is Highlands current coach the same coach that won a state championship just a couple years ago at Highlands.