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The five-second call is one most fans get wrong. A closely-guarded player can hold the ball for up to five seconds, or dribble the ball for up to five seconds. However, the count restarts IF the offensive player either begins to dribble, OR ends a dribble. Therefore, a closely-guarded player MAY possess the ball for up to fifteen seconds WITHOUT a five-second violation occurring (hold the ball up to five seconds, begin dribbling (constituting a NEW five second count), then stop dribbling (constituting another NEW five second count), for a total of fifteen seconds). Fans typically go berserk when this legally happens.

I think you may have misinterpreted what was stated in post #16. It states Announcer should not report items such as "Number of baskets (two or three) by a specific player", not "type of basket". It somewhat reinforces the announcer cannot report "Number of points scored by a player" (a no-no). That's the way I interpret it, tho I could be wrong.

And the winners previous to 1984: 1983 Winston Bennett, Male, Kentucky 1982 Todd May, Virgie, Kentucky/Wake Forest/Pikeville 1981 Phil Cox, Cawood, Vanderbilt 1980 Ervin Stepp, Phelps, Alice Lloyd 1979 Dirk Minniefield, Lafayette, Kentucky 1978 Doug Schloemer, Holmes, Cincinnati 1977 Jeff Lamp, Ballard, Virginia 1976 Darrell Griffith, Male, Louisville 1975 Dom Fucci, Tates Creek, Auburn 1974 Jack Givens, Bryan Station, Kentucky 1973 Wesley Cox, Male, Louisville 1972 Jerry Thurston, Owensboro, Mercer 1971 Jimmy Dan Conner, Anderson County, Kentucky 1970 Robert Brooks, Madison, Eastern Kentucky 1969 Ron King, Central, Florida State 1968 Terry Davis, Shelby County, Western Kentucky 1967 Jim McDaniels, Allen County, Western Kentucky 1966 Mike Casey, Shelby County, Kentucky 1965 Butch Beard, Breckinridge County, Louisville 1964 Wes Unseld, Seneca, Louisville 1963 Mike R Redd, Seneca, Kentucky Wesleyan 1962 Mike Silliman, St. Xavier, Army 1961 Randy Embry, Owensboro, Kentucky 1960 Jeff Mullins, Lafayette, Duke 1959 Pat Doyle, North Marshall, Kentucky 1958 (Co-Winner) Ralph Richardson, Russell County, Eastern Kentucky 1958 (Co-Winner) Harry Todd, Earlington, Western Kentucky 1957 Billy Ray Lickert, Lafayette, Kentucky 1956 “King” Kelly Coleman, Wayland, Kentucky Wesleyan

Here's a list of the last 31 winners (year, name, high school, college): 2014 Quentin Snider, Ballard, Louisville 2013 Dominique Hawkins, Madison Central, Kentucky 2012 Nathan Dieudonne, Trinity, Boston U 2011 Anthony Hickey, Christian County, LSU 2010 Elisha Justice, Shelby Valley, Louisville/Pikeville 2009 Jon Hood, Madisonville-North Hopkins, Kentucky 2008 Darius Miller, Mason County, Kentucky 2007 Steffphon Pettigrew, Elizabethtown, Western Kentucky 2006 Walt Allen, South Laurel, Asbury 2005 Domonic Tilford, Jeffersontown, South Alabama 2004 Chris Lofton, Mason County, Tennessee 2003 Ross Neltner, Ft. Thomas Highlands, LSU/Vanderbilt 2002 Brandon Stockton, Glasgow, Kentucky 2001 Josh Carrier, Bowling Green, Kentucky 2000 Scott Hundley, Scott County, Vanderbilt 1999 Rick Jones, Scott County, Murray State 1998 J R VanHoose, Paintsville, Marshall 1997 Brandon Davenport, Owensboro, Lindsey Wilson 1996 Daymeon Fishback, Greenwood, Auburn 1995 Charles Thomas, Harlan, Eastern Kentucky 1994 Elton Scott, Marion County, West Virginia 1993 Jason Osborne, Male, Louisville 1992 Tick Rogers, Hart County, Louisville 1991 Jermaine Brown, Fairdale, Georgetown (Ky) 1990 Dwayne Morton, Central, Louisville 1989 Allan Houston, Ballard, Tennessee 1988 Richie Farmer, Clay County, Kentucky 1987 John Pelphrey, Paintsville, Kentucky 1986 Rex Chapman, Apollo, Kentucky 1985 Tony Kimbro, Seneca, Louisville 1984 Steve Miller, Henry Clay, Western Kentucky

I don't see why not. The KHSAA allows middle-school students who don't attend a particular high school play to play for whomever they choose. Might as well open it up to everybody .... justsayin.

I was thinking the same thing. This might actually be a very good game, especially in the Grove. I think it will be a good, early season test for a green Cru team.

Very nice feature, Mustang! Well done.

You could say South Oldham won a State Championship by 0.26 seconds. The 18th place runner (from SO) beat the 19th place runner (from St X) by just over a quarter second, tipping the scales in SO's favor. That's not to slight the St X runner in any manner. I've often said XC is one of the purest, but most difficult, painful athletic endeavors out there. I'm sure both kids gave their all. Congrats to both!

Bishop Brossart defends their title with 56 points. St. Henry second (88), Walton third (130). clean sweep for Northern Kentucky!!

sorry .. that example (hypothetical) isn't even in the same stratosphere ... not even close.

counterpoint .... (I really didn't want to go here ....) In 2012/13, CVH played Varsity basketball for Villa Madonna as an 8th grader. Everyone in the universe knew he was going to CCH the following year. He was the leading scorer on a 16-13 team that lost their opening District game, ending their season. They won two games ... TWO GAMES ... by less than 10 points. So in essence, you could say he improved a .500 team's number of wins by TWO GAMES. Meanwhile, EVERY MINUTE he was on the floor, a VMA student was sitting the bench. They had 11 players score on the season, so I doubt you could say they wouldn't have had a team without him. Once again, athletics is an extracurricular activity meant to enrich the lives of students.

"Amen" to this. This is the point I was trying to make, but I was not as succinct. Throughout this entire thread, there have been so many hypotheticals, it makes my head spin. If we eliminated the "should we or shouldn't we", it goes away. High school athletics (for that matter, all extracurriculars), should be about the students who actually attend the school. Period.

What does RCC9 really think about the All "A" ..... :lol2:

It's a fascinating issue. It's also an issue that has only presented itself in the last 15 or so years. Why was this never a problem before? How were schools able to compete prior to this recent phenomenon? Is it coincidence, that the issue parallels the explosion of AAU hoops and Select soccer? I know, I know .. you want to be the best, and compete against the best. But what's wrong with wanting to be the best with what you have? Play the hand your dealt. Take the students that are walking the halls, be the best you can be with that.

Softball is a challenge .. no question (similar to football). I think you are probably still a victim of the switch from slo to fast pitch .. just not enough girls have played fast pitch at a young age and have developed to compete. However, based on reading your coaching philosophy, I really believe you would figure out a way to make it work. You would. You would probably devote as much time to developing the MS program, while integrating the younger players with your upperclassmen.

I understand your point (and congratulations on having a couple of studs!), but that is what the AAU circuit was created for. Those of us from the 70's remember Dickie Beal dropping 40 on us down at the Boys Club in Newport like it was nothing!! I don't recall him playing up, and he turned out just fine, because he had the Jr Pro circuit. We turned out ok too. My son got annihilated by Carson Williams a few years ago .. it was no big deal .. nothing we could do about it. But he and Beal were respectful about it .. no showboating, no taunting. Have your daughter drop 40 on a team and enjoy it (if it's done with sportsmanship). And then challenge her on the AAU circuit, but have her enjoy playing with her schoolmates.

Where are TOG and OTB84 when I need them ... Let's be clear .. this isn't about me. And it's not about my kids not getting to play. Both had opportunities to play up as middle-schoolers, but we discussed it, and we didn't think it was a good idea. Both were in on the decision. And neither lost out on playing time as HSers because of grade school players. A huge issue? I think you're stretching it. JV is largely comprised of sophomores. Freshmen can compete with sophomores just fine. It comes back to, you're playing for YOUR school. Not the school you're going to next year or the year after .. YOUR school.

Congrats to the Mustangs! As you mentioned, the ledger wasn't kind, but those kids and coaches have made memories no one can ever take away. Hats off for their perseverance!!

J.B. Holmes

Correct. I know it sounds harsh, but it solves so many problems. You try to convince your freshmen to go find some friends who want to fill out the team, or the coach makes some tough decisions and plays with a JV/Varsity squad only. Let kids be kids .. it goes by so fast as it is. We don't need to be rushing Susie in to the high school ranks, especially if it's just to solve the high school coach's problem. I don't care if Susie is as good as Jamie Walz was. She was a rare talent, and would have been just as good if she waited until the 9th grade to lace 'em up.

I've said it forever ... the only athletes playing for any school, in any sport, should be the students walking the halls ... period, no exceptions. If you can't field a team with the kids who attend the school, you don't have a team .. it's that simple. If that were the case, we wouldn't have this discussion, in every sport, in every season ..... justsayin'.

Fair enough. I haven't seen WJ play, so I'll trust your eyes. Maybe those of us in NKy just get hammered too much with how good NDA is. Great season for CC, and best of luck to NDA going forward. Perhaps we'll see NDA and WJ square off on Nov 8.

This ^ No, they're not a dynasty. They are a very good team who rode a very good pitcher. This year, as a Wild Card team, they were the byproduct of a watered-down product .. until Wild Cards were added, they wouldn't have even made the playoffs (2nd in their Division). Two of the last four seasons, they didn't even qualify for the playoffs. While 3 in 5 seasons is impressive and laudable, they're not a dynasty. Not even close.

Outmatched? Perhaps you're not giving CC their due. If they could travel to Park Hills and beat the Pandas, they might be a pretty good team. Were they really outmatched against WJ? ...justsayin

By the time kids get to high school, for the VAST majority, they're either a football player or a futbol player. The existence of one team won't hurt the other.