At the root of it, people are jealous of Tebow. Everyone wants someone to be flawed like they are. The next level up is the media just destroying any hope that people can take Tebow seriously.

 

Agree. Adam Wainwright I think put it very well:

 

“I am obsessed with Tim Tebow. I’m not afraid to say it. It’s almost embarrassing to us athletes that this much emphasis is put on Tim Tebow because that means we aren’t living our lives as we should. If we did that more often, the way he is living wouldn’t be as big a story. I’m so proud of him for living out his faith.”

 

Sucks to hear Hamilton had this relapse. It will be interesting to see what teams offer this guy next winter, I just can't see anyone going long term with him. Hard to imagine what Hamilton goes through everyday...Especially with Ron Washington in that clubhouse..:scared:

I should add that if Hamilton wants to drink, do blow, or hit the crack pipe that is all his business. But don't turn around and wave your sober flag at the first reporter who comes your way the next day. Or release statements about avoiding the champagne celebration when you clinch the pennant.

 

Exactly. :thumb:

That was the best 30 for 30. As for alcohol, I wonder how many of us have a dependency on it. I've really been pondering this.

 

I've always told people who claim to not have a drinking problem (when I suspect they might), "If you really believe you don't have an addiction, then give it up totally for six months or a year."

I should add that if Hamilton wants to drink, do blow, or hit the crack pipe that is all his business. But don't turn around and wave your sober flag at the first reporter who comes your way the next day. Or release statements about avoiding the champagne celebration when you clinch the pennant.

 

While I don't think less of Hamilton, I think Chris Herren is ahead of him in the battles they both face. Yes, Herren is out there speaking to various groups, but I don't get the whole "I've got this thing whipped" vibe. He's telling his story & also his 24/7/365 battle.

 

There were times when I got that feeling from Hamilton. Herren is not out of the woods, but he seemed a little more realistic about the struggle.

While I don't think less of Hamilton, I think Chris Herren is ahead of him in the battles they both face. Yes, Herren is out there speaking to various groups, but I don't get the whole "I've got this thing whipped" vibe. He's telling his story & also his 24/7/365 battle.

 

There were times when I got that feeling from Hamilton. Herren is not out of the woods, but he seemed a little more realistic about the struggle.

I agree with you on Herren. One I often point people towards is Justin Townes Earle. Check out this article.

That was the best 30 for 30. As for alcohol, I wonder how many of us have a dependency on it. I've really been pondering this. I used to have a drink a couple nights a week and think it was no big deal. Now, I drink once a week, generally about 3 drinks. However, even though it is one night, I almost have to have those couple of drinks. I think that that is dependency to a certain degree and many folks, and I'm more familiar w/ the Catholic community, are that way. If I'm feeling like that, and I've never been to the point where Hamilton went, I can't imagine how difficult it is for him. ESPECIALLY as a pro athlete. What happens when the fame leaves and it's just him, his family, and his money? I have a feeling that his life after sports is going to be tragic.

 

I think I would agree with a lot of what you just said. As for the bolded, I think that probably happens a lot more often than we know for guys who don't go into coaching or broadcasting. They lose that limelight.

 

I've always told people who claim to not have a drinking problem (when I suspect they might), "If you really believe you don't have an addiction, then give it up totally for six months or a year."

 

I will be honest. Not sure I could do that.

I have a baseball-related question. Currently Hamilton and the Rangers are in contract negotiations. How much money did he cost himself?

Yeah, I think the two situations are very different. When people see someone being credited for something that they aren't, they enjoy seeing the truth unveiled. I don't whether Josh Hamilton is legit or not, but I do know some say he isn't.

 

With Tebow, I think it is a few things. First, he seems like he's too good, too nice. Second, point number one gets talked about and highlighted a ton. Third, he was successful in terms of winning, yet played the QB position horribly more often than not. Just like people want to see Hamilton exposed, they want to see Tebow exposed. But, to pay a little tribute to the Bible, winning covers a multitude of flaws. I think people root against him for one or all of those reasons.

 

I guess my thing is, why aren't we saddened when we're proven right, instead of outright gleefully rubbing our hands together and basically shouting that we were right? I have often predicted bad things for people (in my family, most often). But in my heart, I WANT them to prove me wrong. Nothing makes me happy about being proven right when you see someone destroying their life.

I have a baseball-related question. Currently Hamilton and the Rangers are in contract negotiations. How much money did he cost himself?

I think they have bigger concerns about his durability.

Why do we feel so happy about another person's downfall?

 

 

I agree, and it's truly sad. I don't understand it at all. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. Like the Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I think they have bigger concerns about his durability.

In some way doesn't this relate to his durability or at least his ability to be on the field? Let's say his relapses go past alcohol and he starts using cocaine again.

 

But I do agree, with Hamilton durability is a big concern.

Kindler showed up to get him out of the bar.

No team will give him more than 3-4 years tops IMO. Way too injury prone...

Kindler showed up to get him out of the bar.

 

Kinsler?

Kindler showed up to get him out of the bar.

 

I wonder how that came about.